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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 21, 2017 14:52:51 GMT
I haven't counted them all yet....  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 15:49:14 GMT
I take it they've coloured in three Glasgow constituencies because the old Glasgow Hillhead covers at least parts of them...
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 21, 2017 15:58:35 GMT
I take it they've coloured in three Glasgow constituencies because the old Glasgow Hillhead covers at least parts of them... Yes the rationale seems to be that if any part of the seat has been represented by a Lib/SDP/LD MP, however small then it is included (hence seats like Meon Valley, Bridgewater etc). On that basis there are quite a few seats not included which should be - I have pointed out some already (to the author) but there are others. The one that has me really stumped is the two Luton seats for which I can see no rationale and assume to be just a mistake |
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Post by iain on Nov 21, 2017 15:59:29 GMT
I take it they've coloured in three Glasgow constituencies because the old Glasgow Hillhead covers at least parts of them... I’d imagine so. Similar situation to Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale & Tweeddale (Tweeddale, Ettrick & Lauderdale) and Aberdeen South (Kincardine & Deeside). |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 21, 2017 16:03:51 GMT
Yet he doesn't include York Outer of which the largest component is territory which was in Ryedale at the time it was held by the Liberals
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Nov 21, 2017 16:26:26 GMT
I take it they've coloured in three Glasgow constituencies because the old Glasgow Hillhead covers at least parts of them... Ditto the three South Wales Valley seats, even though there were only two defections. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 21, 2017 16:33:53 GMT
Yes as Abertillery was split between the then new Blaenau Gwent and Islwyn seats. But he doesn't acknowledge Clywd South even though the greater part (perhaps even a majority of the current seat) came from Wrexham.
There is one seat he has not coloured in which has a part of it which had been represented by both an SDP defector and more recently by a Lib Dem MP. Anyone know which one?
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Post by carlton43 on Nov 21, 2017 16:39:28 GMT
This is just a total rubbish map and not worth discussing.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 21, 2017 16:56:18 GMT
This is just a total rubbish map and not worth discussing. It's absolutely worth discussing. It's also worth doing the thing properly which I intend to do. I think I should also do maps for Conservative and Labour. The question is whether you should accept the criteria which has been adopted that any part of a constituency, however small, should count or whether you should set a minimum threshold and if so what that should be (50% would seem more sensible to me) If you don't want to discuss it that's fine - I'm sure you are busy enough making the case that Sheffield Hallam is trending to the right  |
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Nov 21, 2017 16:59:44 GMT
There is one seat he has not coloured in which has a part of it which had been represented by both an SDP defector and more recently by a Lib Dem MP. Anyone know which one? Don't know, but Preseli Pembrokshire should probably be filled in as part of it was Liberal in 1983 and 1987. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 21, 2017 17:02:11 GMT
There is one seat he has not coloured in which has a part of it which had been represented by both an SDP defector and more recently by a Lib Dem MP. Anyone know which one? Don't know, but Preseli Pembrokshire should probably be filled in as part of it was Liberal in 1983 and 1987. That is another one I had not thought of. I've already bombarded the poor bloke with loads of corrections on Twitter |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Nov 21, 2017 17:15:48 GMT
This is just a total rubbish map and not worth discussing. It's absolutely worth discussing. Indeed. It goes back to an observation made about politics in the inter-war period, when the Liberal Party declined from power to irrelevant third party: they didn't have any problem gaining seats at elections, and made some very striking wins in seats that had not been Liberal in 1885-1918. They did have a problem hanging on to them, as once the novelty had worn off, the good candidate had moved on to other things, the voters had no long-term interest in liberalism. |
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Post by iain on Nov 21, 2017 17:17:20 GMT
Don't know, but Preseli Pembrokshire should probably be filled in as part of it was Liberal in 1983 and 1987. That is another one I had not thought of. I've already bombarded the poor bloke with loads of corrections on Twitter Also Bristol NW and Hampstead & Kilburn |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 21, 2017 17:31:54 GMT
That is another one I had not thought of. I've already bombarded the poor bloke with loads of corrections on Twitter Also Bristol NW and Hampstead & Kilburn Yes there's quite a bunch - NE Somerset, Oxford East, SE Cambridgeshire, Sheffield Central, Middlesbrough, Wakefield etc etc.. just look at any actual seat they've won/held and the chances are one or more of their neighbours now includes part of that seat. I think you might even find that Meriden has a handful of voters who were once represented by Lorely Burt but I mean a handful, which is why using this kind of one-drop rule is ill advised IMO |
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Post by Foggy on Nov 22, 2017 2:32:53 GMT
I take it they've coloured in three Glasgow constituencies because the old Glasgow Hillhead covers at least parts of them... Yes the rationale seems to be that if any part of the seat has been represented by a Lib/SDP/LD MP, however small then it is included (hence seats like Meon Valley, Bridgewater etc). On that basis there are quite a few seats not included which should be - I have pointed out some already (to the author) but there are others. The one that has me really stumped is the two Luton seats for which I can see no rationale and assume to be just a mistake No such constituency exists, but I know which one you mean and I was surprised to see it filled in with that distinctive orange hue as well. I presume New Forest East contains a small part of the 1997-2010 Romsey seat? That's the one that jumped out at me for some reason. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 22, 2017 8:15:34 GMT
Yes the rationale seems to be that if any part of the seat has been represented by a Lib/SDP/LD MP, however small then it is included (hence seats like Meon Valley, Bridgewater etc). On that basis there are quite a few seats not included which should be - I have pointed out some already (to the author) but there are others. The one that has me really stumped is the two Luton seats for which I can see no rationale and assume to be just a mistake No such constituency exists, but I know which one you mean and I was surprised to see it filled in with that distinctive orange hue as well. I presume New Forest East contains a small part of the 1997-2010 Romsey seat? That's the one that jumped out at me for some reason. It doesn't |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 15:48:05 GMT
I haven't counted them all yet.... Go back to your constituencies and prepare for government! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 15:51:54 GMT
I haven't counted them all yet.... You forgot Mitcham & Morden |
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Post by Sibboleth on Nov 22, 2017 15:58:13 GMT
I think a map of seats that they won at elections would be more interesting. Counting defections is cheating.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 22, 2017 15:59:51 GMT
You forgot Mitcham & Morden I didn't 'forget' anything because this isn't my own work (if I didn't make that clear in the OP it must surely be clear from subsequent discussions). I had considered Mitcham & Morden but think it is not included because Bruce Douglas-Mann resigned on his defection and fought a by-election (which of course he lost). So it is at least arguable that he never represented the seat as an SDP MP |
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