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Post by froome on Mar 10, 2018 14:19:50 GMT
(ahem ...) Dragging ourselves back on topic, I'd like to nominate the double-member constituency of East Somerset as it existed 1868 - 1885. See the map here www.visionofbritain.org.uk/maps/sheet/bc_reports_1868/Somersetshire_1868It's the version outlined in red. It is quite clearly a north Somerset constituency; labelling it 'east' is absurd. The blue boundary, incidentally, shows the version of the seat as originally set out in the 1867 Reform Act, but it was switched to the version in red by the Parliamentary Boundaries Act 1868 and this was the form in which the constituency ultimately came into being. The blue (1867) version was even less easterly than the red (1868) version, but it was still called 'east'. In 1885 boundaries were entirely redrawn and a new single-member seat of East Somerset was created, shown in light purple on a map here ukga.org/images/maps/Somerset.jpgWhat's striking is that the seat called East Somerset after 1885 contained not a single square inch of the so-called East Somerset constituency prior to that date. That is fascinating. Somerset's geography does make it quite difficult to describe its components accurately with compass points. Before local government reorganisation created North Somerset council, I always described the area along the coast from Portishead southwards to Weston-super-Mare as being North West Somerset, although it is actually in the eastern half of the county. However, that early East Somerset constituency is so obviously North Somerset that it is hard to understand why it wasn't named as such. |
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Post by jluk234 on Mar 10, 2018 17:27:08 GMT
Here is a Holyrood seat I think could be included.
Where in Scotland, do you think, is the Almond Valley seat?
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Post by jluk234 on Mar 10, 2018 17:30:09 GMT
And here is a Westminster seat in Scotland, though its no longer used and its successor is called by a much more geographically accurate name.
Fife Central
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Post by Andrew_S on Mar 10, 2018 18:05:32 GMT
Bradford North wasn't a good name for the seat. It was finally changed to Bradford East in 2010.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Mar 10, 2018 18:28:24 GMT
Eye wasn't on anyone's face.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2018 20:49:48 GMT
Another badly named Fife seat was Gordon Brown's old Dunfermline East seat, which didn't cover any part of Dunfermline.
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Post by No Offence Alan on Mar 10, 2018 20:55:25 GMT
Another badly named Fife seat was Gordon Brown's old Dunfermline East seat, which didn't cover any part of Dunfermline. Presumably it covered the Eastern part of the pre-1996 Dunfermline District Council. |
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Post by jluk234 on Mar 10, 2018 21:12:47 GMT
Another badly named Fife seat was Gordon Brown's old Dunfermline East seat, which didn't cover any part of Dunfermline. Presumably it covered the Eastern part of the pre-1996 Dunfermline District Council. Yes, Dunfermline East was created in 1983 and therefore, would have been made up of the old pre - '96 council wards in Dunfermline |
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Post by jamie on Mar 10, 2018 21:33:22 GMT
Here is a Holyrood seat I think could be included. Where in Scotland, do you think, is the Almond Valley seat? Great sounding name though. |
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Post by jamie on Mar 10, 2018 21:34:37 GMT
Same as Bury South which doesn't have any of Bury in it. The problem with the Boundary Commission naming seats after councils rather than actual places... |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Mar 10, 2018 21:38:41 GMT
Same as Bury South which doesn't have any of Bury in it. The problem with the Boundary Commission naming seats after councils rather than actual places... cf Westminster North. When forced to change it in 1995 (because they were recommending a cross-borough constituency) the PBCE managed to do even worse by the name 'Regent's Park and Kensington North'. Not only did 'Regent's Park' make no sense as a location to most of the bits that weren't in North Kensington, not even all of Regent's Park was in the constituency. |
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Post by jamie on Mar 10, 2018 21:58:55 GMT
cf Westminster North. When forced to change it in 1995 (because they were recommending a cross-borough constituency) the PBCE managed to do even worse by the name 'Regent's Park and Kensington North'. Not only did 'Regent's Park' make no sense as a location to most of the bits that weren't in North Kensington, not even all of Regent's Park was in the constituency. In their defence the boundaries don't include anything really suited to be a constituency name (Abbey Road?). A future Marylebone and Paddington constituency would be ideal, or even just uniting Paddington so you can have a Paddington constituency would be an improvement. The London boroughs regularly breaking across places/communities doesn't help. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Mar 10, 2018 22:05:28 GMT
cf Westminster North. When forced to change it in 1995 (because they were recommending a cross-borough constituency) the PBCE managed to do even worse by the name 'Regent's Park and Kensington North'. Not only did 'Regent's Park' make no sense as a location to most of the bits that weren't in North Kensington, not even all of Regent's Park was in the constituency. In their defence the boundaries don't include anything really suited to be a constituency name (Abbey Road?). Had I been advising them, I would have suggested 'Maida Vale' as being the best substitute. It's quite a wide area roughly in the centre of the Westminster portion of the seat, would apply to practically all of it if estate agents were allowed any say on the matter, and also could be taken as referring to the road name and therefore including St Johns Wood. The current plans are for a constituency including the whole of the old borough of Paddington plus one ward from Marylebone and two from south Brent. And the PBCE are proposing to call it Kilburn... |
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Post by jamie on Mar 10, 2018 22:17:46 GMT
The current plans are for a constituency including the whole of the old borough of Paddington plus one ward from Marylebone and two from south Brent. And the PBCE are proposing to call it Kilburn... The initial proposals included a Blaydon seat which excluded most of Blaydon postal code, with said area instead included in 'Durham West and Teesdale' which excluded most of Teesdale and a good chunk of West Durham. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Mar 11, 2018 3:47:55 GMT
The current plans are for a constituency including the whole of the old borough of Paddington plus one ward from Marylebone and two from south Brent. And the PBCE are proposing to call it Kilburn... Kilburn? Isn't that in Lancashire? |
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Post by YL on Mar 11, 2018 7:52:11 GMT
Same as Bury South which doesn't have any of Bury in it. The problem with the Boundary Commission naming seats after councils rather than actual places... One of the worst ones there is West Bromwich West which refers to the western part of the county borough of West Bromwich as it was for a short period over 40 years ago. |
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Post by islington on Mar 11, 2018 9:05:08 GMT
The problem with the Boundary Commission naming seats after councils rather than actual places... One of the worst ones there is West Bromwich West which refers to the western part of the county borough of West Bromwich as it was for a short period over 40 years ago. Yes, it's the 'East' seat that contains West Bromwich itself. The two seats would more sensibly be called 'West Bromwich' and 'Wednesbury' - the latter has history as a constituency name, having been first used in 1868. Another bizarrely named seat was 'Waterloo', which existed 1918 - 1950. One might imagine that it would encompass the Waterloo area of central London, and I see that the compiler of a Wikipedia article has indeed made this not unreasonable assumption and included it in a list of London seats during this period. But in fact it was in Lancashire, near Liverpool. From 1950 virtually the same seat, with only very small amendments, was called 'Crosby', which makes a lot more sense. Here's the article. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Kingdom_Parliament_constituencies_(1918–45)_by_regionThe error means that London is listed as having 63 MPs and Lancashire 65 (66 after 1945). It should be 62 and 66 (67 after 1945). I'd like to correct the article but it would involve adjusting the tables and unfortunately I'm not technically up to the task. |
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Post by islington on Mar 11, 2018 9:09:02 GMT
In their defence the boundaries don't include anything really suited to be a constituency name (Abbey Road?). Had I been advising them, I would have suggested 'Maida Vale' as being the best substitute. It's quite a wide area roughly in the centre of the Westminster portion of the seat, would apply to practically all of it if estate agents were allowed any say on the matter, and also could be taken as referring to the road name and therefore including St Johns Wood. The current plans are for a constituency including the whole of the old borough of Paddington plus one ward from Marylebone and two from south Brent. And the PBCE are proposing to call it Kilburn... I should put my hand up and admit to having put forward the current proposed boundary, which I'm actually very happy with as a substantial improvement on the BCE's initial suggestion. But I agree that calling it Kilburn is absurd; I suggested 'Paddington' and I still think this would be best. |
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Post by froome on Mar 11, 2018 10:00:23 GMT
The current plans are for a constituency including the whole of the old borough of Paddington plus one ward from Marylebone and two from south Brent. And the PBCE are proposing to call it Kilburn... Kilburn? Isn't that in Lancashire? Plenty of Kilburns around, including the eponimous one that lent its name to Ian Dury's band, which is in London north west of Paddington, though closer to Cricklewood. On Ian Dury's band, I see on Wiki that it was called Kilburn and the High Roads. I'm sure it was actually a singular road, so Kilburn and the High Road, but I'm sure one of our forum experts will correct me. I always assumed the High Road in question was Edgware Road. |
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Post by andrewteale on Mar 11, 2018 10:39:14 GMT
Same as Bury South which doesn't have any of Bury in it. That used to be the case, but not since 2010 when Unsworth was transferred to Bury South. |
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