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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Sept 12, 2022 20:46:18 GMT
Italy is a difficult one to judge given that the entrenched party system was destroyed, and replaced with strange coalitions of factions of dead parties, personality cults, and outright weirdos.
How, for example, to assess exactly what a PD voter is and which party the older voters would have voted for? How do you judge the ostensibly centre-left being led by the DC veteran Prodi going toe-to-toe with the ostensibly centre-right led by Berlusconi with his close links to the late Socialists? It is fascinating but very difficult.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Sept 11, 2022 14:54:46 GMT
Please let there be a bonfire of these dreadful personalist microparties.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 26, 2022 17:30:10 GMT
Rather cringey she suggests the driver's licens for minors should be known as the Busch card (Buschkort). ... Presuming a difference in slang between Swedish and English here. Because otherwise the jokes would write themselves.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 26, 2022 17:24:57 GMT
Very close andrea, Atlanticist. Good job you didn't suggest Berlo was an Atalantist, you would be banned from Bergamo for life!
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 26, 2022 8:52:03 GMT
So-what happens with the approach to Russia if the Right win? The Lega and Berlusconi have noted ties to Russia (as does most of the Italian economic establishment), but Meloni is very hostile. How big are FdI in comparison to the rest of the coalition? I would negotiate a strong anti Russia stance if I was Giorgia Meloni, in return for a consistent coalition wide line on other issues in government? I suppose it'll all come out in the wash of results, but you'd have to imagine FdI will be in a position to assert its line. Likewise, Salvini might decide that Russia isn't a hill worth dying on any more. Which just leaves the economic establishment types. Maybe andrea has a view?
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 26, 2022 8:32:07 GMT
So-what happens with the approach to Russia if the Right win? The Lega and Berlusconi have noted ties to Russia (as does most of the Italian economic establishment), but Meloni is very hostile.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 21, 2022 12:45:23 GMT
I walked past a poster in a window yesterday reading "Fora Bolsonaro, Lula 2022". Which was a surprise in Edale.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 17, 2022 23:43:25 GMT
Those names... Is there a South Tyrolean Random Name Generator?
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 17, 2022 15:22:52 GMT
A famous Brazilian representing Italians in Brazil? Still makes more sense than voting for Renzi.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 15, 2022 9:28:21 GMT
The race is clearly tightening at the moment, and while I expect Lula himself to win, I would not be surprised at all if the congress ends up being more right wing then it currently is and outside of São Paulo (which seems to shift more to the left then the rest of Brazil) the left’s situation is looking dire at the gubernatorial and senatorial levels. Bolsonaro has a problem on his right: his former supporters in the Uniao Brasil have their own candidate, Soraya Thronicke- who has no chance but is clearly a nuisance for him. He needs those voters and almost the entire PSDB vote going his way, or he's not going to defeat Lula in the runoff. That it's those two in the runoff is clear enough unless something really weird happens. In more unlikely news, the TV presenter Luciano Huck withdrew his candidacy last month. He was polling higher than the PSDB at one point!
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 14, 2022 10:15:34 GMT
Folklore time Gina Lollobrigida is set to run in the Latina constituency for'Italia Sovrana e Popolare. Italia Sovrana e Poplari is a joint list made up of Again Italy, Communist Party, Reconquer Italy, No Draghi Committees, Civil Action, Republican Revival and Italy United. Blimey. Any sign of La Cicciolina?
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 12, 2022 13:42:51 GMT
Likud's full name is "Likud - National Liberal Movement" and amongst the parties it consolidated was the old Liberal Party which was a classical/economical liberal party. He's also demonstrated some ideological flexibility to chase votes wherever so would not be totally out of place with certain liberal parties on the ground, however much their national bodies and keyboard warriors might protest. Likud has always been considered to be the pro-multiculturalism (*Jewish Multiculturalism) party in Israel as well, as Labour looked at Mizrahi culture as “Arab” and inferior. What's the Mizrahi position in Israeli society like these days? Is it still somewhat apart, or more central?
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 10, 2022 18:32:23 GMT
Hopefully we get a new Netanyahu-Almost-Self-aware advert this year.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 28, 2022 17:34:30 GMT
Hoping for a SVP win. It is the change Italy needs.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 26, 2022 19:06:47 GMT
I'm referring to the former Alliance of Socialist Greens and Green Left (happy to stand corrected if they were not official), and elsewhere to the Alliance for Green Socialism and the like. On the wider point about independents using a descriptor (or indeed not) when actually aligned to a formal party in reality, I was thinking in particular of the "independent Socialists" in Southampton who were of course TUSC when they fancied it, or the pseudo-Independents in the Highlands. The Alliance for Green Socialism are registered as a party. search.electoralcommission.org.uk/Registrations/PP67They do have "Green Socialists" registered as a ballot description, which demonstrates how inconsistently rules about confusing descriptions are applied. Green Left are/were an internal grouping within GPEW. Nowadays, it's mostly a couple of timewasters from Shahrar Ali's former party and a Facebook group. And therein lay my query-and thanks for the answer. Green Left were Derek Wall's thing once though weren't they? My memory is of them having an Eco-Socialist Manifesto/Declaration.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 26, 2022 18:47:30 GMT
The reason I wondered is because "Eco-Socialist" has appeared as a label before: various micro-parties, a current in the Greens. And wasn't Derek Wall using the label at some point? Either within or without the GPEW. They're not a registered political party. That much is pretty simple to answer. They've used the description for their council grouping, as independents. Clearly the council didn't have any objections to the name being used, such as possible misunderstandings or misrepresentation. Yes, "eco-socialist" is a perfectly ordinary adjective, too. In the same way as "conservative" is. Baffled as to what "various micro-parties, a current in the Greens" alludes to. I'm referring to the former Alliance of Socialist Greens and Green Left (happy to stand corrected if they were not official), and elsewhere to the Alliance for Green Socialism and the like. On the wider point about independents using a descriptor (or indeed not) when actually aligned to a formal party in reality, I was thinking in particular of the "independent Socialists" in Southampton who were of course TUSC when they fancied it, or the pseudo-Independents in the Highlands.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 26, 2022 18:17:03 GMT
Are these Eco-Socialists aligned to a party, or are they genuinely independent? They are all former left wing Labour councillors who left Labour and formed a group of their own. I reckon they may end up joining the Greens. Lancaster Greens are pretty left wing. The reason I wondered is because "Eco-Socialist" has appeared as a label before: various micro-parties, a current in the Greens. And wasn't Derek Wall using the label at some point? Either within or without the GPEW.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 26, 2022 18:06:04 GMT
Are these Eco-Socialists aligned to a party, or are they genuinely independent?
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 25, 2022 18:03:56 GMT
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 24, 2022 21:16:14 GMT
Two strands to the PCI strength of old in those areas: 1. More heavily organised agricultural labour. 2. Anti-clericalism was stronger in those areas. Good point by Sibboleth about the urban geography (also seen in France to a lesser extent, and to a more exaggerated degree in the largest ethnically-Italian city of them all: Sao Paulo). "La periferia" is a trope in Italian culture even now, but possibly less than it was. "Anna e Marco" by Lucio Dalla springs to mind, for those interested in Italian music. nah, to be honest my one track mind springs to Moravia and early Pasolini. And Ragazze of Sanfrediano (what's the author called? Vasco sthg.) It's kind of important here that Italy is pretty much the one place in western Europe that continues to make things. Pratolini. Your mind clearly jumped to more highbrow angles than mine! This was the other one that struck me.
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