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Post by The Bishop on Aug 11, 2019 9:51:31 GMT
Biden will lose to Trump because under the avuncular bluster, he's an incompetent with nothing to offer. I do hope they won't be stupid enough to select two duds in a row He's got a much wider potential voter coalition compared to Trump and, to he frank, just had to play it safe to win. Biden isn't incompetent, he's just a little erratic. Nevertheless, he's a consummate Washington pro who can make things happen that Trump can only dream of. Yes, but you also predicted a HRC landslide Tbh all that I am seeing from Biden at the moment is gaffe after gaffe, what is there to actually inspire?
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Post by timmullen1 on Aug 11, 2019 10:10:59 GMT
He's got a much wider potential voter coalition compared to Trump and, to he frank, just had to play it safe to win. Biden isn't incompetent, he's just a little erratic. Nevertheless, he's a consummate Washington pro who can make things happen that Trump can only dream of. Yes, but you also predicted a HRC landslide Tbh all that I am seeing from Biden at the moment is gaffe after gaffe, what is there to actually inspire? Policies that aren’t easily labelled “socialist” - expanding Obamacare whilst giving you the option of keeping your private insurance if that’s what you want, not granting universal immunity from prosecution to people who cross the border illegally, achievable climate goals that don’t make people think you’re banning hamburgers. And Democratic voters are overwhelmingly telling pollsters, and turning up at town hall meetings, that they don’t want 500 page policy papers they want the candidate best able to defeat Trump. And right now they’re overwhelmingly saying Biden’s that person.
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Post by The Bishop on Aug 11, 2019 10:12:55 GMT
But it seems to me they are largely saying that just because other people are saying it. What does he actually *offer*??
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Post by Merseymike on Aug 11, 2019 10:25:47 GMT
Yes, but you also predicted a HRC landslide Tbh all that I am seeing from Biden at the moment is gaffe after gaffe, what is there to actually inspire? Policies that aren’t easily labelled “socialist” - expanding Obamacare whilst giving you the option of keeping your private insurance if that’s what you want, not granting universal immunity from prosecution to people who cross the border illegally, achievable climate goals that don’t make people think you’re banning hamburgers. And Democratic voters are overwhelmingly telling pollsters, and turning up at town hall meetings, that they don’t want 500 page policy papers they want the candidate best able to defeat Trump. And right now they’re overwhelmingly saying Biden’s that person. Trump will beat Biden. He is about as inspiring as a dish of cold congealed grits.
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Post by timmullen1 on Aug 11, 2019 10:31:27 GMT
But it seems to me they are largely saying that just because other people are saying it. What does he actually *offer*?? As I said healthcare reform that’s in tune with what most people say is more in tune with their ideals, positive policies on climate change that people can see the benefits of, the impression that defending the southern border is more important than just letting anybody and everybody into America, other stuff that’s maybe not too different from the others like an increasing the minimum wage, there’s not much difference between them on gun control, infrastructure investment, but ultimately he’s seen as the best placed to beat Trump, and however cynical of that you may be, all the evidence is that that is what people outside Trump’s hardcore supporters are looking for.
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Post by mboy on Aug 11, 2019 10:42:21 GMT
But it seems to me they are largely saying that just because other people are saying it. What does he actually *offer*?? It’s fairly obvious from your posts on this that you think the lack of a *buzz* about Biden in your Twitter bubble means he doesn't have an “offer”.
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Post by mondialito on Aug 11, 2019 11:03:38 GMT
He's got a much wider potential voter coalition compared to Trump and, to he frank, just had to play it safe to win. Biden isn't incompetent, he's just a little erratic. Nevertheless, he's a consummate Washington pro who can make things happen that Trump can only dream of. Biden as VP pick, then runs for POTUS in 2028? He'll be 86 by then.
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Post by Izzyeviel on Aug 11, 2019 18:40:08 GMT
The Trumps are out in force today pushing the 'Hillary is an international assassin who killed Einstein because she's running a secret pedo club' narrative.
Makes you wonder what deranged conspiracy theory conservatives are going to push depending on who gets the nomination.
Biden - 'creepy uncle Joe' doesn't seem to working so now they're saying he's incapable of being president because he made a slip of the tongue and thus he's going senile. (Peak irony)
Warren - 'Pocahontas'
Sanders/Harris?
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Post by mondialito on Aug 11, 2019 18:48:19 GMT
The Trumps are out in force today pushing the 'Hillary is an international assassin who killed Einstein because she's running a secret pedo club' narrative. Makes you wonder what deranged conspiracy theory conservatives are going to push depending on who gets the nomination. Biden - 'creepy uncle Joe' doesn't seem to working so now they're saying he's incapable of being president because he made a slip of the tongue and thus he's going senile. (Peak irony) Warren - 'Pocahontas' Sanders/Harris? Sanders - (((Radical Socialist))) Harris - (((Radical Globalist)))
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Post by nelson on Aug 11, 2019 20:27:00 GMT
Biden - 'creepy uncle Joe' doesn't seem to working so now they're saying he's incapable of being president because he made a slip of the tongue and thus he's going senile. (Peak irony) Warren - 'Pocahontas' Sanders/Harris? Sanders is still “Crazy Bernie”.
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Post by The Bishop on Aug 12, 2019 9:12:54 GMT
Biden - 'creepy uncle Joe' doesn't seem to working so now they're saying he's incapable of being president because he made a slip of the tongue and thus he's going senile. (Peak irony) There has been more than one "tongue slip" by him. And the "creepy" stuff could well have more purchase during an actual election campaign.
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Post by timmullen1 on Aug 12, 2019 10:57:10 GMT
Biden - 'creepy uncle Joe' doesn't seem to working so now they're saying he's incapable of being president because he made a slip of the tongue and thus he's going senile. (Peak irony) There has been more than one "tongue slip" by him. And the "creepy" stuff could well have more purchase during an actual election campaign. If I was Trump I wouldn’t really be getting into a battle of who’s most at sea off the autocue, as the best he could hope for was a score draw. The “creepy Joe” thing goes nowhere fast; you can tell by the lack of outrage thus far, and again, how does Biden’s “schtick” routine, done in front of dozens of journalists and TV cameras, stack up against Trump’s “Access Hollywood” tape.
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Post by Tony Otim on Aug 12, 2019 14:50:06 GMT
There has been more than one "tongue slip" by him. And the "creepy" stuff could well have more purchase during an actual election campaign. If I was Trump I wouldn’t really be getting into a battle of who’s most at sea off the autocue, as the best he could hope for was a score draw. The “creepy Joe” thing goes nowhere fast; you can tell by the lack of outrage thus far, and again, how does Biden’s “schtick” routine, done in front of dozens of journalists and TV cameras, stack up against Trump’s “Access Hollywood” tape. I think that would be true if the intention was to get people voting for Trump instead, but Trumps vote will probably turn out anyway. All attacks on the Democrat candidate need to do is put people off voting for them and perhaps stay at home and Trump will win. Hence the comparison with Trump is less important than whether it will deter parts of the potential democratic vote...
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Post by greenchristian on Aug 12, 2019 15:10:20 GMT
The thing with Biden is that I'm not seeing how he offers anything more than "I'm not Trump". The other leading candidates all seem to have pitches that offer a positive message of "here's what I'm going to do to make America better" that gives people a positive reason to vote for them as well as the negative one that any Democrat candidate will have against Trump. If you look at the Dems' Presidential losses in recent years, Clinton, Kerry and Gore all struggled to put across that kind of base-enthusing message in the General, whilst Obama's campaign was almost entirely about that kind of positive message.
Now it's possible I'm missing something, but if I'm not then there's good reason to think that Biden would be the least electable candidate come the general.
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Post by timmullen1 on Aug 12, 2019 15:37:13 GMT
The thing with Biden is that I'm not seeing how he offers anything more than "I'm not Trump". The other leading candidates all seem to have pitches that offer a positive message of "here's what I'm going to do to make America better" that gives people a positive reason to vote for them as well as the negative one that any Democrat candidate will have against Trump. If you look at the Dems' Presidential losses in recent years, Clinton, Kerry and Gore all struggled to put across that kind of base-enthusing message in the General, whilst Obama's campaign was almost entirely about that kind of positive message. Now it's possible I'm missing something, but if I'm not then there's good reason to think that Biden would be the least electable candidate come the general. Basically you are missing something; Biden’s rolling out policies on a regular basis, more centrist than Sanders, and less detailed than Warren, but there’s stuff on Medicare expansion, minimum wage, gun control (ok, they’re all pretty much on the same page on that), combatting climate change, job creation, and so on. However right now it’s not really about policies, it’s about motivating your base. If you want to be very technical the candidate doesn’t write the manifesto, it’s done by the Platform Committee pre-Convention, but the candidate ensures s/he packs that committee with their supporters.
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Post by timmullen1 on Aug 12, 2019 15:41:14 GMT
If I was Trump I wouldn’t really be getting into a battle of who’s most at sea off the autocue, as the best he could hope for was a score draw. The “creepy Joe” thing goes nowhere fast; you can tell by the lack of outrage thus far, and again, how does Biden’s “schtick” routine, done in front of dozens of journalists and TV cameras, stack up against Trump’s “Access Hollywood” tape. I think that would be true if the intention was to get people voting for Trump instead, but Trumps vote will probably turn out anyway. All attacks on the Democrat candidate need to do is put people off voting for them and perhaps stay at home and Trump will win. Hence the comparison with Trump is less important than whether it will deter parts of the potential democratic vote... But the evidence suggests it has the opposite effect; it further convinces those, particularly white suburban women, who had doubts about Trump in 2016 but gritted their teeth and voted for him, that they were wrong - something we saw manifest itself on a large scale in last year’s midterms. There’s no suggestion of anything dampening Democratic enthusiasm because the overarching goal is to beat Trump with whoever.
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Post by mboy on Aug 13, 2019 20:02:32 GMT
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Post by manchesterman on Aug 13, 2019 21:56:48 GMT
Biden will lose to Trump because under the avuncular bluster, he's an incompetent with nothing to offer. I do hope they won't be stupid enough to select two duds in a row I dont agree with Merseymike too often, but I do here.
Biden is very much Clinton-continuity and Trump will just use the same tactics he did in 2016. Can we at least give him a different set of challenges to overcome this time!?
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Post by Andrew_S on Aug 13, 2019 22:42:45 GMT
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Post by Izzyeviel on Aug 13, 2019 23:46:56 GMT
I wish
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