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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 12:50:32 GMT
When localised and made to sound plausible it can be very effective. I've been involved in campaigns around this for the Tories, and it worked very well. Geography is the key. Consolidation is no longer as mindlessly opposed as it was 20 years ago as the choice is seen as first class services in a new hospital further away or second class services closer to you. However in isolated areas "further away" could mean 45 minutes away, and so it's often the choice between close by or nowhere. I accept it's localised, but that doesn't mean it won't be highly effective. Well, if they direct it at their local hospital then I would agree. The suggestion that people can travel to Carlisle is bloody ridiculous....its 40 miles away! But of course voting Labour won't change a damn thing as to whether it happens or not and the public need to understand this. The simple truth is that the best way to keep that hospital open is to vote Conservative and hope that Trudy Harrison wins It's pretty much the same campaign the Tories ran every few years about Worthing hospital under Labour government
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Post by right on Feb 21, 2017 13:12:47 GMT
@benjl is on a steep learning curve since joining the site. But I think he's doping okay and will be correcting us before long. "Precedent" Benj, as in Preceed or, has happened before. "doping okay"? On heavily regulated heroin?
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Post by gwynthegriff on Feb 21, 2017 13:28:19 GMT
I hope the Copeland electorate aren't gullible enough to believe this NHS twaddle. The whole electorate voted plurality Tory at the last election so there is president for voters believing twaddle about the NHS. If we explain the difference between president and precedent will you promise to use them correctly in future?
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Post by gwynthegriff on Feb 21, 2017 13:31:01 GMT
@benjl is on a steep learning curve since joining the site. But I think he's doping okay and will be correcting us before long. "Precedent" Benj, as in Preceed or, has happened before. Preceed? Preceed? What manner of word is this? A synonym for precede perhaps?
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Post by andrew111 on Feb 21, 2017 13:54:12 GMT
When localised and made to sound plausible it can be very effective. I've been involved in campaigns around this for the Tories, and it worked very well. Geography is the key. Consolidation is no longer as mindlessly opposed as it was 20 years ago as the choice is seen as first class services in a new hospital further away or second class services closer to you. However in isolated areas "further away" could mean 45 minutes away, and so it's often the choice between close by or nowhere. I accept it's localised, but that doesn't mean it won't be highly effective. Well, if they direct it at their local hospital then I would agree. The suggestion that people can travel to Carlisle is bloody ridiculous....its 40 miles away! But of course voting Labour won't change a damn thing as to whether it happens or not and the public need to understand this. The simple truth is that the best way to keep that hospital open is to vote Conservative and hope that Trudy Harrison wins Where I live they are closing Huddersfield Royal Infirmary and moving all acute services to Halifax. That is only 8 miles, but 25 minutes even in favourable traffic conditions, let alone rush hour or the southern reaches of the HRI catchment. NHS "rationalisation" is going to affect tens of millions of people over the next few years and regardless of reality the Tories are going to get the blame, because it is happening on their watch
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Post by gwynthegriff on Feb 21, 2017 16:47:20 GMT
Well, if they direct it at their local hospital then I would agree. The suggestion that people can travel to Carlisle is bloody ridiculous....its 40 miles away! But of course voting Labour won't change a damn thing as to whether it happens or not and the public need to understand this. The simple truth is that the best way to keep that hospital open is to vote Conservative and hope that Trudy Harrison wins Where I live they are closing Huddersfield Royal Infirmary and moving all acute services to Halifax. That is only 8 miles, but 25 minutes even in favourable traffic conditions, let alone rush hour or the southern reaches of the HRI catchment. NHS "rationalisation" is going to affect tens of millions of people over the next few years and regardless of reality the Tories are going to get the blame, because it is happening on their watch But if 25 minutes is too far, then what's acceptable? 20? 15? A hospital on every corner?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 18:44:42 GMT
Where I live they are closing Huddersfield Royal Infirmary and moving all acute services to Halifax. That is only 8 miles, but 25 minutes even in favourable traffic conditions, let alone rush hour or the southern reaches of the HRI catchment. NHS "rationalisation" is going to affect tens of millions of people over the next few years and regardless of reality the Tories are going to get the blame, because it is happening on their watch But if 25 minutes is too far, then what's acceptable? 20? 15? A hospital on every corner? Senior Lib Dem promises "a hospital on every corner".
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Post by gwynthegriff on Feb 21, 2017 19:04:13 GMT
But if 25 minutes is too far, then what's acceptable? 20? 15? A hospital on every corner? Senior Lib Dem promises "a hospital on every corner". Is that "senior" as in "old"?
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Post by andrew111 on Feb 21, 2017 19:31:24 GMT
Where I live they are closing Huddersfield Royal Infirmary and moving all acute services to Halifax. That is only 8 miles, but 25 minutes even in favourable traffic conditions, let alone rush hour or the southern reaches of the HRI catchment. NHS "rationalisation" is going to affect tens of millions of people over the next few years and regardless of reality the Tories are going to get the blame, because it is happening on their watch But if 25 minutes is too far, then what's acceptable? 20? 15? A hospital on every corner? Well, the point is that 25 minutes is the fastest possible time between 6am and 8pm on any day of the week (ok, after 10 am on Sunday) As Armchair critic points out it can easily take 1.5 hours, and that is not acceptable for a catchment of 200,000 people in a country that is claimed to be the 5th richest in the world.. The strain these journey times put on visitors is also huge
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Post by gwynthegriff on Feb 21, 2017 19:47:23 GMT
But if 25 minutes is too far, then what's acceptable? 20? 15? A hospital on every corner? Well, the point is that 25 minutes is the fastest possible time between 6am and 8pm on any day of the week (ok, after 10 am on Sunday) As Armchair critic points out it can easily take 1.5 hours, and that is not acceptable for a catchment of 200,000 people in a country that is claimed to be the 5th richest in the world.. The strain these journey times put on visitors is also huge You misunderstand my point. I have no specialist knowledge of Huddersfield and Halifax but we need a mature debate on the balance between speed of access v quality of care when you get there v cost v practicality. For example, some of my background reading on the Whitehaven issue suggests that it's not just a question of cost-efficiency, it's an issue of recruiting staff to work there.
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Post by Foggy on Feb 21, 2017 20:20:15 GMT
But if 25 minutes is too far, then what's acceptable? 20? 15? A hospital on every corner? Senior Lib Dem promises "a hospital on every corner". Two hospitals on every driveway, three schools on every fish?
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Post by right on Feb 21, 2017 20:37:23 GMT
Well, the point is that 25 minutes is the fastest possible time between 6am and 8pm on any day of the week (ok, after 10 am on Sunday) As Armchair critic points out it can easily take 1.5 hours, and that is not acceptable for a catchment of 200,000 people in a country that is claimed to be the 5th richest in the world.. The strain these journey times put on visitors is also huge You misunderstand my point. I have no specialist knowledge of Huddersfield and Halifax but we need a mature debate on the balance between speed of access v quality of care when you get there v cost v practicality. For example, some of my background reading on the Whitehaven issue suggests that it's not just a question of cost-efficiency, it's an issue of recruiting staff to work there. Very interesting and it makes sense. BUT BABIES WILL DIE!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 20:45:41 GMT
Senior Lib Dem promises "a hospital on every corner". Is that "senior" as in "old"? Senior as in "somebody belonging to a major party ssying something that might embarrass their party".
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 20:48:14 GMT
You misunderstand my point. I have no specialist knowledge of Huddersfield and Halifax but we need a mature debate on the balance between speed of access v quality of care when you get there v cost v practicality. For example, some of my background reading on the Whitehaven issue suggests that it's not just a question of cost-efficiency, it's an issue of recruiting staff to work there. Very interesting and it makes sense. BUT BABIES WILL DIE!
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 21, 2017 20:52:52 GMT
Well, the point is that 25 minutes is the fastest possible time between 6am and 8pm on any day of the week (ok, after 10 am on Sunday) As Armchair critic points out it can easily take 1.5 hours, and that is not acceptable for a catchment of 200,000 people in a country that is claimed to be the 5th richest in the world.. The strain these journey times put on visitors is also huge You misunderstand my point. I have no specialist knowledge of Huddersfield and Halifax but we need a mature debate on the balance between speed of access v quality of care when you get there v cost v practicality. For example, some of my background reading on the Whitehaven issue suggests that it's not just a question of cost-efficiency, it's an issue of recruiting staff to work there. Three rugby league teams in one post!
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Post by finsobruce on Feb 21, 2017 21:14:05 GMT
Senior Lib Dem promises "a hospital on every corner". Two hospitals on every driveway, three schools on every fish? and a chicken in every pot!
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Feb 21, 2017 21:17:20 GMT
..and an owl for everyone
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Post by Crimson King on Feb 21, 2017 21:55:54 GMT
Ow'll vote for that
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Post by finsobruce on Feb 21, 2017 22:04:30 GMT
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Post by Crimson King on Feb 21, 2017 22:06:51 GMT
I'd say you were eagle eyed to pick up on that , but really it was like hitting a barn door
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