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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Sept 8, 2016 0:19:53 GMT
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Sept 8, 2016 6:45:20 GMT
500 seats would probably be a good number to use if we were going to have some kind of system of AMS (with say 150 or 200 top up seats). It isn't a very good number to work with. I have argued that 750 is the optimum number of seats for FPTP in my opinion and I have worked out plans for almost every area on that basis (which is how I've some to the view about it being the optimum number - it just works very well in the majority of counties). The reason I have not posted any of that is that we are currently engaged in the real thing and I don't think you're going to find anyone willing to engage with fantasy boundaries when we are shortly going to have concrete proposals from the Boundary commission to digest and dissect and I expect you will find you have plenty to do then yourself
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Sept 8, 2016 6:59:14 GMT
Fair comment, but any other ideas?
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Sept 8, 2016 7:02:58 GMT
1,000 seats would be interesting
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Post by Penddu on Sept 8, 2016 8:15:26 GMT
What about UK - one seat..?
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Sept 8, 2016 8:16:00 GMT
What about UK - one seat..? Ha Ha Ha
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Sept 8, 2016 8:22:57 GMT
1,000 seats would be interesting Well, from the electorates published we know that the electoral quota would be 45,004 (so around the same size as the current Arfon)
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Sept 8, 2016 8:23:27 GMT
But any other ideas people?
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Sept 8, 2016 9:30:17 GMT
1,000 seats would be interesting Well, from the electorates published we know that the electoral quota would be 45,004 (so around the same size as the current Arfon) Also just the right size for County Fermanagh, which gave me an idea. This type of seat size works very well in Northern Ireland. Unfortunately it doesn't work very well in England Fermanagh 44892 Tyrone East40765 Tyrone West 41355 Tyrone Mid 41973 Londonderry City 42126 Londonderry County North 43239 Londonderry County South 43629 Londonderry County West 39516 Armagh North 44204 Armagh Mid 39754 Armagh South 40040 Antrim North 43373 Antrim Mid 43285 Antrim East 45708 Antrim South 48555 Newtownabbey 46088 Lisburn 42398 Belfast East 47771 Belfast North 46246 Belfast South 48237 Belfast West 45998 Ards 42945 Bangor 47731 Castlereagh 43678 Down Mid 48183 Downpatrick 45504 Newry 47830 Banbridge 48347
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Sept 8, 2016 9:32:21 GMT
Well, from the electorates published we know that the electoral quota would be 45,004 (so around the same size as the current Arfon) Also just the right size for County Fermanagh, which gave me an idea. This type of seat size works very well in Northern Ireland. Unfortunately it doesn't work very well in England Fermanagh 44892 Tyrone East40765 Tyrone West 41355 Tyrone Mid 41973 Londonderry City 42126 Londonderry County North 43239 Londonderry County South 43629 Londonderry County West 39516 Armagh North 44204 Armagh Mid 39754 Armagh South 40040 Antrim North 43373 Antrim Mid 43285 Antrim East 45708 Antrim South 48555 Newtownabbey 46088 Lisburn 42398 Belfast East 47771 Belfast North 46246 Belfast South 48237 Belfast West 45998 Ards 42945 Bangor 47731 Castlereagh 43678 Down Mid 48183 Downpatrick 45504 Newry 47830 Banbridge 48347 thats precisely why I love 1000 seats, but why is it bad in england?
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Sept 8, 2016 9:43:57 GMT
It's just the size of a lot of towns doesn't lend itself well to that constituency size. It might work ok in some counties but not in others. In Hertfordshire for example (where naturally I start with a lot of these projects) you've got three towns with an electorate of about 60,000 which means you'd either have to hive lots of wards off or create some fairly ugly and illogical 'sandwich' seats (as it happens its the perfect size for St Albans, but no good for Watford, Hemel and Stevenage). This is why 750 seats which gives an average electorate of 60k is the best solution I've found
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Sept 8, 2016 9:49:36 GMT
Okay then, from initial poll results I believe my schedule shall be 1. assess & improve initial responses (5 days to go!) 2. UK 1000 seats 3. UK 750 seats OR UK 650 without Counties Armagh, Fermanagh, Tyrone, Londonderry
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 10:09:49 GMT
I went for the option which could possibly keep him busiest the longest. No option for 10,000 seats
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Sept 8, 2016 10:22:28 GMT
you can select multiple options
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Post by jamie on Sept 8, 2016 13:08:31 GMT
On Boundary Assistant, is there a way to increase the number of constituencies or did you just double up some?
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Sept 8, 2016 13:11:01 GMT
Has ANYONE got any more ideas?
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Post by greenchristian on Sept 8, 2016 20:20:00 GMT
We've got a thread for 650 seats under the new rules, but I don't think we've had anything for 600 seats under the old rules. Having both sets of alternatives would make it much easier to determine how much of the partisan impact of the new boundaries is due to the seat reduction, how much is due to the other rule changes, and how much is due to population changes. So not quite useless, but certainly something worth looking into.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 21:51:48 GMT
Has ANYONE got any more ideas? ASV, bless you, I know that you're young and enthusiastic, and some posts from you are very interesting. However, and I mean this with all due respect, you need to realise that we're not here to respond to each hurried question from you. As Pete says, the real boundary Review is now upon us, and will take up all our time, relegating many fantasy threads to the margins. You may find that your posts are ignored completely during the next week when the other real proposals are published. If you want to work on a 1,000 seat UK, please do so. Just try to have some understanding that the forum is not always able or willing to turn to your every question or demand.
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Sept 9, 2016 3:14:22 GMT
We've got a thread for 650 seats under the new rules, but I don't think we've had anything for 600 seats under the old rules. Having both sets of alternatives would make it much easier to determine how much of the partisan impact of the new boundaries is due to the seat reduction, how much is due to the other rule changes, and how much is due to population changes. So not quite useless, but certainly something worth looking into. I'll look into it, but I'll need someone to give me the harmonic means
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Sept 9, 2016 8:23:24 GMT
On Boundary Assistant, is there a way to increase the number of constituencies or did you just double up some? The latter
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