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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Feb 17, 2020 9:59:11 GMT
If you read the judgment in HM Attorney-General v Akhter and others it is partly explained, although you need a bit of background knowledge. The issue is that, in addition to a marriage ceremony which turns out to have no legal effect, past case law has invented a concept known by the awkward phrase as a "non-marriage", which is a wholly void form of marriage. One judge explained it in terms of a marriage ceremony which takes place during a stage play. If two people go through a void marriage then the courts can later declare it to be void, and on doing so can make financial provision order. If they go through a "non-marriage", the courts have no power to declare it void, because it was obviously nothing from the start. In this case, Mohammad Shabaz Khan had a Nikah ceremony with Nasreen Akhter at a time when they intended to follow it with a civil marriage, but the civil marriage never took place. When their relationship broke up, Ms Akhter was unable to get a divorce so instead applied for a declaration of nullity in order to get a financial settlement. The High Court agreed that the Nikah amounted to a form of marriage ceremony but which had no legal effect, so she was entitled to a decree of nullity. The Attorney-General then successfully appealed, arguing that a Nikah was a "non-marriage" that could never have been intended or understood by either party to be a genuine legal marriage.
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Post by jamie on Feb 17, 2020 18:54:32 GMT
Has anybody got a good source on which towns were coal mining communities? I can find sources on where coal mines were located and make some educated guesses but its difficult to work out which places were actually substantially affected by coal mining and which simply had coal mines nearby.
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Post by Sibboleth on Feb 17, 2020 19:07:40 GMT
Has anybody got a good source on which towns were coal mining communities? I can find sources on where coal mines were located and make some educated guesses but its difficult to work out which places were actually substantially affected by coal mining and which simply had coal mines nearby. Yes. Me. Or, rather, the information exists (census reports, VCH, etc), but you have to develop something of a long-term relationship with it, particularly if you wish to look at particular villages or smaller towns etc.
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Post by manchesterman on Feb 17, 2020 20:36:26 GMT
A report on BBC News channel just now said that a couple can't get an annulment to their marriage because there was no marriage in the first place. Surely that's the whole point of an annulment? What have I missed or misunderstood? I refer my Rt Hon friend to the case of King Henry VIII and Queen Catherine of Aragon
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Post by jamie on Feb 27, 2020 16:00:38 GMT
Im looking at the final polls for the 2019 election and can't find any data tables for the YouGov MRP. Does anybody have them (assuming they were ever produced)?
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Feb 27, 2020 18:18:47 GMT
Has anybody got a good source on which towns were coal mining communities? I can find sources on where coal mines were located and make some educated guesses but its difficult to work out which places were actually substantially affected by coal mining and which simply had coal mines nearby. Spot the wards in Somerset that vote Labour.
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Post by Foggy on Feb 29, 2020 1:35:24 GMT
Has anybody got a good source on which towns were coal mining communities? I can find sources on where coal mines were located and make some educated guesses but its difficult to work out which places were actually substantially affected by coal mining and which simply had coal mines nearby. Spot the wards in Somerset that vote Labour. Labour currently have councillors for Wellington, some wards in Weston-super-Mare, some wards in Bridgwater and one ward in Clevedon. None of those had a coal mine nearby enough for it to have employed a significant proportion of the population. I'll grant you that here in BANES there's a bit more of a correlation, with Labour holding council seats in Radstock and Paulton. That said, certain other communities where coal mining was an important local source of employment such as Midsomer Norton and Peasedown St John, no longer have Labour councillors.
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Post by froome on Feb 29, 2020 6:20:54 GMT
Spot the wards in Somerset that vote Labour. Labour currently have councillors for Wellington, some wards in Weston-super-Mare, some wards in Bridgwater and one ward in Clevedon. None of those had a coal mine nearby enough for it to have employed a significant proportion of the population. I'll grant you that here in BANES there's a bit more of a correlation, with Labour holding council seats in Radstock and Paulton. That said, certain other communities where coal mining was an important local source of employment such as Midsomer Norton and Peasedown St John, no longer have Labour councillors. Indeed, and Midsomer Norton these days is one of the strongest Conservative voting parts of B&NES. What is more interesting is why some communities have kept their Labour voting loyalty and others have ditched theirs. A sense of community and co-operation, often linked to previous strong union organisation, will certainly play a part.
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Post by yellowperil on Feb 29, 2020 7:18:41 GMT
Labour currently have councillors for Wellington, some wards in Weston-super-Mare, some wards in Bridgwater and one ward in Clevedon. None of those had a coal mine nearby enough for it to have employed a significant proportion of the population. I'll grant you that here in BANES there's a bit more of a correlation, with Labour holding council seats in Radstock and Paulton. That said, certain other communities where coal mining was an important local source of employment such as Midsomer Norton and Peasedown St John, no longer have Labour councillors. Indeed, and Midsomer Norton these days is one of the strongest Conservative voting parts of B&NES. What is more interesting is why some communities have kept their Labour voting loyalty and others have ditched theirs. A sense of community and co-operation, often linked to previous strong union organisation, will certainly play a part. Pensford too is Tory I believe.When I knew Pensford in my childhood it was an archetypal mining village ,dominated by the winding gear and the slag heap. And of course if you go back further than that, guess which family owned the pit?
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Feb 29, 2020 10:30:11 GMT
Indeed, and Midsomer Norton these days is one of the strongest Conservative voting parts of B&NES. What is more interesting is why some communities have kept their Labour voting loyalty and others have ditched theirs. A sense of community and co-operation, often linked to previous strong union organisation, will certainly play a part. Pensford too is Tory I believe.When I knew Pensford in my childhood it was an archetypal mining village ,dominated by the winding gear and the slag heap. And of course if you go back further than that, guess which family owned the pit? Pensford Colliery itself opened in the 20th century – much, much later than typical. But the nearby Bishop Sutton pits were indeed at one point owned by a William Rees-Mogg, great-grandfather of his namesake, the erstwhile High Sheriff of Somerset and editor of The Times, and great-great-grandfather of the current Lord President of the Council.
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Post by yellowperil on Feb 29, 2020 10:35:02 GMT
Pensford too is Tory I believe.When I knew Pensford in my childhood it was an archetypal mining village ,dominated by the winding gear and the slag heap. And of course if you go back further than that, guess which family owned the pit? Pensford Colliery itself opened in the 20th century – much, much later than typical. But the nearby Bishop Sutton pits were indeed at one point owned by a William Rees-Mogg, great-grandfather of his namesake, the erstwhile High Sheriff of Somerset and editor of The Times, and great-great-grandfather of the current Lord President of the Council. Exactly so.
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Post by WJ on Feb 29, 2020 10:59:23 GMT
Which ward has the smallest electorate? Which ward has the largest electorate?
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Post by greatkingrat on Feb 29, 2020 12:00:42 GMT
Ignoring Scilly / City of London, the smallest ward in England at the time of the last boundary review was Ravenstonedale (Eden) with 753. In Wales, Garth (Gwynedd) had an electorate of 420.
The largest ward was Springfield (Birmingham) - 19255, although Birmingham has been reviewed since then. Acocks Green looks to be the largest new ward with 17796.
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Post by Foggy on Feb 29, 2020 16:51:09 GMT
Indeed, and Midsomer Norton these days is one of the strongest Conservative voting parts of B&NES. What is more interesting is why some communities have kept their Labour voting loyalty and others have ditched theirs. A sense of community and co-operation, often linked to previous strong union organisation, will certainly play a part. Pensford too is Tory I believe.When I knew Pensford in my childhood it was an archetypal mining village, dominated by the winding gear and the slag heap. My memory of Pensford during my childhood was that it was a nice, quiet village from which my aunt and uncle could commute to south Bristol without having to send my cousins to schools in the city. I do not recall any clear evidence of coal mining heritage at all, but perhaps I just wasn't very attentive! In Wales, Garth (Gwynedd) had an electorate of 420. Presumably that is the figure from December 2015. Gwynedd Council lists the electorate at the 2017 local elections as 514. That said, I am familiar with that neighbourhood, and can only conclude that an association with the number "four-twenty" would indeed be apt.
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Post by yellowperil on Feb 29, 2020 17:12:49 GMT
Pensford too is Tory I believe.When I knew Pensford in my childhood it was an archetypal mining village, dominated by the winding gear and the slag heap. My memory of Pensford during my childhood was that it was a nice, quiet village from which my aunt and uncle could commute to south Bristol without having to send my cousins to schools in the city. I do not recall any clear evidence of coal mining heritage at all, but perhaps I just wasn't very attentive! Maybe your childhood was significantly later than mine! I am remembering the forties, maybe very early fifties, and I think it was all gone by the mid-fifties. I think my memories are based on going through the village every time we drove from Yeovil to Bristol which in my childhood happened at least once a month. So it was the sign we were "nearly there"
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Post by Foggy on Mar 1, 2020 0:36:55 GMT
My memory of Pensford during my childhood was that it was a nice, quiet village from which my aunt and uncle could commute to south Bristol without having to send my cousins to schools in the city. I do not recall any clear evidence of coal mining heritage at all, but perhaps I just wasn't very attentive! Maybe your childhood was significantly later than mine! I am remembering the forties, maybe very early fifties, and I think it was all gone by the mid-fifties. I think my memories are based on going through the village every time we drove from Yeovil to Bristol which in my childhood happened at least once a month. So it was the sign we were "nearly there" Yes, I was reminiscing about a period from the late 1980s until that side of the family moved to Ansford in South Somerset in 2005. No doubt Pensford looked very different by then from how it did in the immediate post-war era!
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Mar 1, 2020 20:17:50 GMT
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Post by finsobruce on Mar 1, 2020 20:24:39 GMT
Where does the quote " the Constitution is what happens" originate? J A G Griffith.
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Post by finsobruce on Mar 2, 2020 8:40:58 GMT
Echo.
the perils of posting while trying to watch the Antiques Roadshow at the same time , and being distracted by a very old piece of slipware.
Echo.
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Post by finsobruce on Mar 2, 2020 9:18:36 GMT
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