ColinJ
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Post by ColinJ on Aug 13, 2019 13:54:22 GMT
I have started some research into Three Rivers DC elections, compiling the data into a format I prefer, from the 'usual' sources. There are two 'unusual' items that I am hoping to get some more information; any help from forum members would be appreciated. 1. Davıd Boothroyd has posted a list of known election petitions since local government reorganisation in 1973. In the list is a petition regarding the Chorleywood West ward election in 1991. The election of C.F. Downing (C) was declared void because 600 ballot papers were excluded from the count. It may be a coincidence, but this was a "double" election following the enlargement of the ward as a result of the Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire, Northamptonshire and Oxfordshire (County Boundaries) Order 1991. The Order altered, inter alia, the county boundary between Buckinghamshire and Hertfordshire, with the vast majority of the area concerned (351.77 hectares) and population (1,790 people) transferred to Chorleywood West ward. It almost seems as if the ballot box for the transferred area was forgotten about - surely that wasn't what happened? The election is also mentioned in Shaw and Sons Ltd's Dealing with Doubtful Ballot Papers booklet, issued in April 2001, where dubious paper illustration no. 32 mimics one from the Three Rivers (1991) case where a voter had placed crosses against 4 candidates and ticks against the remaining 2 candidates. The ticks were held to be 'good votes'. Does anyone have any further further details about the petition? Also, was there a by-election or a recount? 2. Another curiosity from the research is a by-election in Hayling ward, held on 13 June 2002. According to the council's minutes, the vacancy occurred because Cllr. David Saxon (Lab) was disqualified on 11 April 2002 following his failure to give a written undertaking to abide by the Three Rivers District Code of Conduct within the statutory time period of two months. I have never come across this as a reason for disqualification before and would be interested to know what legislation would have been involved.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Aug 13, 2019 14:04:51 GMT
I have started some research into Three Rivers DC elections, compiling the data into a format I prefer, from the 'usual' sources. There are two 'unusual' items that I am hoping to get some more information; any help from forum members would be appreciated. 1. Davıd Boothroyd has posted a list of known election petitions since local government reorganisation in 1973. In the list is a petition regarding the Chorleywood West ward election in 1991. The election of C.F. Downing (C) was declared void because 600 ballot papers were excluded from the count. Does anyone have any further further details about the petition? Also, was there a by-election or a recount? You'll probably find all the detail you need at The National Archives J 104/378: discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C762443If an election is declared void, then there is a byelection. When the court changes the result without calling another election, it's called an 'undue election'. Sounds like he failed to sign the declaration of acceptance of office - by 2002 that was bundled with signing to accept the Code of Conduct.
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Post by ColinJ on Aug 13, 2019 14:20:06 GMT
I have started some research into Three Rivers DC elections, compiling the data into a format I prefer, from the 'usual' sources. There are two 'unusual' items that I am hoping to get some more information; any help from forum members would be appreciated. 1. Davıd Boothroyd has posted a list of known election petitions since local government reorganisation in 1973. In the list is a petition regarding the Chorleywood West ward election in 1991. The election of C.F. Downing (C) was declared void because 600 ballot papers were excluded from the count. Does anyone have any further further details about the petition? Also, was there a by-election or a recount? You'll probably find all the detail you need at The National Archives J 104/378: discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C762443If an election is declared void, then there is a byelection. When the court changes the result without calling another election, it's called an 'undue election'. Sounds like he failed to sign the declaration of acceptance of office - by 2002 that was bundled with signing to accept the Code of Conduct. Thanks for the National Archives reference, a trip to Kew is now on my 'to-do' list! Regarding Saxon's disqualification: he was himself elected in a by-election on 7 December 2000 and his term of office was due to run until 2004. He would have signed a declaration of acceptance of office during December 2000 that I would have thought would have covered him until 2004.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Aug 13, 2019 14:34:09 GMT
Sounds like he failed to sign the declaration of acceptance of office - by 2002 that was bundled with signing to accept the Code of Conduct. Thanks for the National Archives reference, a trip to Kew is now on my 'to-do' list! Regarding Saxon's disqualification: he was himself elected in a by-election on 7 December 2000 and his term of office was due to run until 2004. He would have signed a declaration of acceptance of office during December 2000 that I would have thought would have covered him until 2004. I was going on my own experience but then I was first elected in 2002. On checking, section 52 of the Local Government Act 2000 appears to be the reason. The Model Code of Conduct came into force on 27 November 2001 giving Three Rivers until 27 May 2002 to agree its own Code of Conduct.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Aug 19, 2019 16:41:17 GMT
Does anyone know which of the two-member wards in Hull will not be electing a councillor in May 2020? (I guess it would be two out of Central, Ings, Kingswood and Pickering)
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Aug 19, 2019 17:50:40 GMT
Does anyone know which of the two-member wards in Hull will not be electing a councillor in May 2020? (I guess it would be two out of Central, Ings, Kingswood and Pickering) All such questions can be answered by referring to the appropriate Electoral Order. Here is The Kingston upon Hull (Electoral Changes) Order 2017: www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2017/1266/pdfs/uksi_20171266_en.pdfFrom which it can be seen that Ings and Kingswood will be having elections in 2020, and Central and Pickering will not.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Aug 19, 2019 18:22:35 GMT
Does anyone know which of the two-member wards in Hull will not be electing a councillor in May 2020? (I guess it would be two out of Central, Ings, Kingswood and Pickering) All such questions can be answered by referring to the appropriate Electoral Order. Here is The Kingston upon Hull (Electoral Changes) Order 2017: www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2017/1266/pdfs/uksi_20171266_en.pdfFrom which it can be seen that Ings and Kingswood will be having elections in 2020, and Central and Pickering will not. Thanks. I was trying (and failing) to find the information from the Final recommendations report
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 21:17:29 GMT
A random thought I just had - was Caithness & Sutherland the only constituency in which an SDP defector incumbent increased their majority in 1983 relative to 1979?
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Post by hedgehog on Sept 12, 2019 14:54:31 GMT
Before I go on this thread and tell the idiots making baseless stupid scandalous comments, that they are stark raving bonkers and libellous. Could someone who has supervised counts, let me know what you believe the young lady is doing.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Sept 12, 2019 15:00:36 GMT
Most likely: She's writing her initials on the cover sheet of a batch of ballots, to confirm that she has counted them and the batch contains the correct number of ballots.
Also possible: She's writing the number of ballot papers in the batch on to the cover sheet. The ballots will be batched 50s or 100s, until the last one which will have an unusual number.
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Post by Yaffles on Sept 12, 2019 15:10:56 GMT
Before I go on this thread and tell the idiots making baseless stupid scandalous comments, that they are stark raving bonkers and libellous. Could someone who has supervised counts, let me know what you believe the young lady is doing. Hard to see but I would imagine she is changing a number written on a post it note. They are commonly used for left over bundles ballots once all the even hundreds have been sorted. Or when you have a small number of dubious ballots that have been rejected/accepted. Anyway it’s bollocks - why would anyone risk prosecution for one ballot
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Post by hedgehog on Sept 12, 2019 15:14:47 GMT
Most likely: She's writing her initials on the cover sheet of a batch of ballots, to confirm that she has counted them and the batch contains the correct number of ballots. Also possible: She's writing the number of ballot papers in the batch on to the cover sheet. The ballots will be batched 50s or 100s, until the last one which will have an unusual number. Cheers, really pisses me off when these idiots make scandalous comments about people with no justification, clearly because the lady is black and the people around her are young they are remainers & untrustworthy😤.
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Post by hedgehog on Sept 12, 2019 15:17:51 GMT
Before I go on this thread and tell the idiots making baseless stupid scandalous comments, that they are stark raving bonkers and libellous. Could someone who has supervised counts, let me know what you believe the young lady is doing. Hard to see but I would imagine she is changing a number written on a post it note. They are commonly used for left over bundles ballots once all the even hundreds have been sorted. Or when you have a small number of dubious ballots that have been rejected/accepted. Anyway it’s bollocks - why would anyone risk prosecution for one ballot Sadly Twitter and Brexit are not a nice marriage. I hope the young lady or the returning officer take action about these comments on Twitter.
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Post by J.G.Harston on Sept 12, 2019 16:46:07 GMT
Before I go on this thread and tell the idiots making baseless stupid scandalous comments, that they are stark raving bonkers and libellous. Could someone who has supervised counts, let me know what you believe the young lady is doing. Difficult to tell as the video refuses to play. I've noticed that quite a bit recently, *ANYTHING* linked through twatter refuses to play, regardless of what broswer I use.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2019 16:58:22 GMT
The Twitter user who posted that video states they support Trump and Tommy Robinson in his bio. They're also suggesting that she absolutely must be changing them from leave to remain.
With that in mind, I wonder what it is about that woman that made them think that (if she really is editing votes, which is highly unlikely)?
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Post by gwynthegriff on Sept 12, 2019 17:00:50 GMT
Before I go on this thread and tell the idiots making baseless stupid scandalous comments, that they are stark raving bonkers and libellous. Could someone who has supervised counts, let me know what you believe the young lady is doing. Hard to see but I would imagine she is changing a number written on a post it note. They are commonly used for left over bundles ballots once all the even hundreds have been sorted. Or when you have a small number of dubious ballots that have been rejected/accepted. Anyway it’s bollocks - why would anyone risk prosecution for one ballot Seems the likeliest. She had a bundle of 7, put them together, attached a post-it note that said 7. Person two seats away then passed across another two. So she rubbed out the 7 and wrote in a 9 instead. Or something similar. OR ... in full sight of colleagues and counting agents she decided to alter a ballot paper ...
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Post by hedgehog on Sept 12, 2019 18:09:12 GMT
Before I go on this thread and tell the idiots making baseless stupid scandalous comments, that they are stark raving bonkers and libellous. Could someone who has supervised counts, let me know what you believe the young lady is doing. Difficult to tell as the video refuses to play. I've noticed that quite a bit recently, *ANYTHING* linked through twatter refuses to play, regardless of what broswer I use. I just tried it again, works for me. The important thing is its impossible to suggest wrongdoing, simply normal counting procedures.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Sept 12, 2019 20:00:30 GMT
Difficult to tell as the video refuses to play. I've noticed that quite a bit recently, *ANYTHING* linked through twatter refuses to play, regardless of what broswer I use. I just tried it again, works for me. The important thing is its impossible to suggest wrongdoing, simply normal counting procedures. But HappyHarry and most of his followers are a bunch of tinfoil hat, conspiracy theorists. So I'm not sure it's worth bothering.
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Post by manchesterman on Sept 12, 2019 20:47:20 GMT
Personally I think she was changing ballots from Remain to Leave (equal amount of evidence for my theory to be fair)
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Post by johnloony on Sept 13, 2019 13:33:27 GMT
What am I supposed to be looking at? Counting a small number of the ballot papers into a bundle, and then writing down the relevant number on the label? Oh yes. I can see how that could be interpreted as being something very suspicious.
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