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Post by timrollpickering on Jun 8, 2016 23:40:16 GMT
This was triggered by a comment in another place but does anyone have details on how well the Liberal Democrats have done when they've lost a seat and the ex MP stands again? And how many times has a former MP come back in the same seat?
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Post by bolbridge on Jun 8, 2016 23:46:10 GMT
I can only think of Ronnie Fearn and Mike Hancock as being successful returners.
Some by-election winners stuck around unsuccessfully after losing e.g. Mike Carr and David Rendel - although the latter did manage to get re-elected twice first!
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Post by mrhell on Jun 8, 2016 23:48:07 GMT
In time of the Liberal Democrats Ronnie Fearn, Richard Livsey and Paul Tyler (after a long gap). Didn't know Hancock had lost.
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Post by neilm on Jun 9, 2016 0:09:32 GMT
In time of the Liberal Democrats Ronnie Fearn, Richard Livsey and Paul Tyler (after a long gap). Didn't know Hancock had lost. He lost to David Martin in 1987 having won the seat after Bonner Pink's death. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 9, 2016 0:17:09 GMT
Also Mark Oaten (it may be argued, only in a technical sense).
Going back longer, Richard Wainwright and Dr Michael Winstanley served non-consecutive terms as Liberal MPs.
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Post by timrollpickering on Jun 9, 2016 9:04:56 GMT
Some by-election winners stuck around unsuccessfully after losing e.g. Mike Carr and David Rendel - although the latter did manage to get re-elected twice first! Interesting. There seems to be a view present that once the Lib Dems lose a seat their vote generally collapses even if the ex MP restands, suggesting the personal vote is reliant on active incumbency and is hard to get back. The returnees are mainly from the Feb 1974 and 1997 surges (Tyler was a long time later and how much of the old Bodmin was in North Cornwall?). |
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 9, 2016 9:11:10 GMT
The town of Bodmin itself was, but yes they were/are mostly different seats.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 9, 2016 11:14:39 GMT
Also Paul Tyler was not a continuous candidate. He stood again in Bodmin in 1979, but then was the candidate in the Beaconsfield byelection in 1982, and in 1983 and 1987 was the Liberal Party's campaign adviser - not standing for any seat.
He may have chosen to stand in North Cornwall in 1992 because South East Cornwall had an established Liberal Democrat candidate - Robin Teverson, future MEP.
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Post by neilm on Jun 12, 2016 8:27:19 GMT
Plus, at the time, North Cornwall was more viable. I remember at the time that it wasn't exactly a huge shock that Gerry Neale lost.
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Post by timrollpickering on Dec 23, 2019 23:30:13 GMT
To revive this thread, Sir Vince Cable, Sir Ed Davey, Stephen Lloyd and Jo Swinson all came back in 2017. Sir Vince retired whilst Lloyd and Swinson lost their seats in 2019. Sarah Olney won a by-election in 2016, lost in 2017 but came back this time.
Some other ex Lib Dem MPs have continued to restand - Andrew George and John Leach spring to mind. Others like Simon Hughes tried again one more time in 2017 then retired their candidacies. How many of the 2015 defeats were still trying this year and just how far did they miss?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 23:48:02 GMT
To revive this thread, Sir Vince Cable, Sir Ed Davey, Stephen Lloyd and Jo Swinson all came back in 2017. Sir Vince retired whilst Lloyd and Swinson lost their seats in 2019. Sarah Olney won a by-election in 2016, lost in 2017 but came back this time. Some other ex Lib Dem MPs have continued to restand - Andrew George and John Leach spring to mind. Others like Simon Hughes tried again one more time in 2017 then retired their candidacies. How many of the 2015 defeats were still trying this year and just how far did they miss? Alan Reid has twice attempted to retake Argyll & Bute, falling further behind each time. |
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Post by iain on Dec 23, 2019 23:55:53 GMT
Tessa Munt and Gordon Birtwistle were the only others standing again this time, I believe.
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Post by greenhert on Dec 24, 2019 0:04:22 GMT
Correct. Gordon Birtwhistle only polled 9%, and was nearly pushed into 4th place by the Brexit Party!
Tessa Munt made no real headway either.
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Post by No Offence Alan on Dec 24, 2019 7:40:24 GMT
Mark Williams lost Ceredigion in 2017 and tried unsuccessfully to regain it in 2019.
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Post by timrollpickering on Dec 24, 2019 11:51:12 GMT
And the ex MPs performed as follows:
Gordon Birtwhistle (Burnley) - 9.0%
Andrew George (St Ives) - 41.0%
John Leech (Manchester Withington) - 15.1%
Tessa Munt (Wells) - 37.9%
Alan Reid (Argyll & Bute) - 14.2%
Mark Williams (Ceredigion) - 17.4%
Since losing, George and Munt have somewhat built their vote back up, but much of this came in 2017 with little or no advance this time, whilst the Conservatives increased in both seats both times.
The others are all now in third place, having all fallen further in 2017. Leech seems to have bottomed out now but Birtwhistle and Reid continued to fall even further. Williams was an election behind the others (isn't that just typical of Ceredigion?!) but again had a big fall and ended in third place.
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Post by heslingtonian on Dec 28, 2019 18:25:59 GMT
Would personally be surprised if any of these apart from Leech (local councillor so fairly embedded) bother to stand again. Same with Lloyd and Swinson. Brake has already confirmed he won’t stand again.
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