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Post by Penddu on Apr 11, 2016 12:27:02 GMT
Comedy gold....I hope Neil Hamilton states this publically...
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Post by gwynthegriff on Apr 11, 2016 12:36:26 GMT
We could end up with a 'Deeside' in all three constituent countries of Great Britain. I think that any river whose name is not unique within the UK should not form part of any constituency name. Thus, 'Stratford-on-Avon' is out as a possible constituency name because of both Stratford in London and the fact that there are two other Avons in England, one of which is not too far away and reasonably well-known. But Stratford-upon-Avon is the name of the town. A town which is internationally known.
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Post by carlton43 on Apr 11, 2016 12:38:00 GMT
Comedy gold....I hope Neil Hamilton states this publically... And intended such.
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Post by Penddu on Apr 11, 2016 12:41:35 GMT
Actually I dont think Neil Hamilton can do much more to damage his credibility ....and yet will probably still be elected. There are times when I dont believe in democracy.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Apr 11, 2016 12:43:56 GMT
And I have mixed views on having dual Welsh and English names for seats. There should be one single name - and this should reflect local usage. If there are two names then the English media will just ignore the Welsh version ... Yeah, I'm not sure why people would want to limit that policy to Wales only. Seems unfair somehow. What's wrong with Dinasoedd Llundain a Westminster or Lerpwl Glan'rafon? Cryw a Helath Wen ?
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Post by carlton43 on Apr 11, 2016 12:47:04 GMT
Actually I dont think Neil Hamilton can do much more to damage his credibility ....and yet will probably still be elected. There are times when I dont believe in democracy. Of course. When the 'wrong' side wins. We are all the same. EDIT Oh! I don't say this often. Farage was right in trying to shaft Hamilton's application whatever his reasons.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Apr 11, 2016 12:47:12 GMT
And I have mixed views on having dual Welsh and English names for seats. There should be one single name - and this should reflect local usage. If there are two names then the English media will just ignore the Welsh version ... Well of course they will. What is the point of using a name no one in the rest of Britain can pronounce or identify. The naming is important for 'others' not for locals as they know where they are. Denbigh, Flint, Conway, Cardigan, and Anglesey all make good sense because we can say them and know where they are. Why go opaque and native just to piss off the rest of Britain? Here in Wester Ross I suppose some of the Celtic persuasion could opt for both Celtic script and a daft name (we have one in Western Isles.....Who can pronounce the new name?) to further confuse everybody in Britain! Just what useful practical purpose would that serve? Here we have dual language road signs which cause confusion and I am sure lead to accidents and mistakes because more micro-seconds are needed looking at signs to take in information that should be simpler. None but a small minority know what the Celtic means and were often unaware of those names until expensively hired pedantic scholars provided those names. Who would have been grossly misled without the Celtic names and script? Not a single person! Who is now being misled and confused? Many. What is this nonsense all about. Why do we pander to it? The Victorians being far less stupid tried to stamp all this out. In my experience reducing the speed of the vehicle by 1mph more than compensates for the microseconds. [Happy to be of assistance. ]
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Post by Khunanup on Apr 11, 2016 13:56:06 GMT
And I have mixed views on having dual Welsh and English names for seats. There should be one single name - and this should reflect local usage. If there are two names then the English media will just ignore the Welsh version ... Yeah, I'm not sure why people would want to limit that policy to Wales only. Seems unfair somehow. What's wrong with Dinasoedd Llundain a Westminster or Lerpwl Glan'rafon? Yeah give it up for Penbedw!
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Post by Sibboleth on Apr 11, 2016 14:37:48 GMT
It should simply be called "Shropshire South". It is illogical to single out one of the two main towns without the other. Except that locally 'South Shropshire' means 'the area around Ludlow'. The renaming of Leominster to North Herefordshire was similarly illogical: 'North Herefordshire' tends to just denote the bit of Herefordshire north of Leominster.
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Post by Sibboleth on Apr 11, 2016 14:43:40 GMT
If you went down the Australian route you'd be better off generally leaning towards geographical features and cultural figures than deceased politicians (even if you'd have a few). In particular we've had a few too many Prime Ministers for the Every PM Must Have A Seat thing to be respected. I might randomly experiment with this with the existing map at some point.
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Post by Sibboleth on Apr 11, 2016 14:46:23 GMT
And while there are more Welsh speakers in Carmarthenshire than Pembrokeshire, I wouldn't say it was a predominantly Welsh speaking area. wi'n cytuno....mae'n ofnadwy.. but bcw has a history of this and recently proposed Ceredigion and North Pembrokeshire... ...and Carmarthenshire is one of the most predominantly Welsh speaking areas - I will look up the statistics when i have time. Sure but South Pembrokeshire hasn't been Welsh speaking since the Middle Ages. Anyway, no harm in adopting bilingual alternative names, just so long as we avoid the abomination of Ulster Scots versions of Northern Ireland seats...
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Post by minionofmidas on Apr 11, 2016 16:45:13 GMT
And Gaelic is quite possibly the only language in the world whose orthography is an even more distasteful mess than English.
The orthography of Welsh, by sharp contrast, is idiosyncratic but pretty logical, and indeed pretty. Maybe all constituencies in the UK should have only a Welsh name.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Apr 11, 2016 16:59:02 GMT
Dinasoedd Llundain a San Steffan San Steffan Gogledd
Hmm, might be something in that.
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Post by YL on Apr 11, 2016 17:14:37 GMT
Hint: if your native language can produce names like "East Kilbride, Strathaven & Lesmahagow" (or, for that matter, our old friend "Blackley & Broughton") then don't complain about other languages' spelling systems. "Na h-Eileanan an Iar" is actually pretty easy to work out how to pronounce by Gaelic standards, anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2016 17:20:05 GMT
I wondered if UKIP members supported a UK representing and promoting its own languages, history, and culture. Only if it's an English culture or English language, it seems. It used to be said that UKIP wanted to take the UK back to the 1950s. You want to take us back to the Victorian era! If only doktorb, if only! Waistcoat and stove pipe topper is very me. Birth of railways, king coal, the greatest empire in the history of the world, Queen Empress, Disraeli, Servants, dominant navy, no passport required, gold sovereigns, fog in Channel............Europe 'cut off'! What's not to like. Correct in all particulars dok. And terrible working conditions for women, children, the mentally ill. Gross health provision. Hideous human rights. Horrendous poverty. You're welcome to an invented past and the days of "white power". Not for me.
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Post by timrollpickering on Apr 11, 2016 19:11:27 GMT
I wondered if UKIP members supported a UK representing and promoting its own languages, history, and culture. Only if it's an English culture or English language, it seems. It used to be said that UKIP wanted to take the UK back to the 1950s. You want to take us back to the Victorian era! What is Ukip Wales/Ukip Wales's position on the use of the Welsh language?
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Post by Adrian on Apr 11, 2016 20:43:00 GMT
I've tended to be quite a traditionalist, e.g. liking the system of "Borough, Random Ward" names (the comma was very important!), as long as the ward isn't _too_ random. So, in the past I've suggested constituencies like Oldham, Chadderton and Leeds, Pudsey. In this case, Cheadle should really be Stockport, Cheadle... (I seem to remember that some of the people at the ONS didn't even realise that there was such a naming convention.) But the comma has gone now, and it's best to be pragmatic: "Manchester, Blackley & Salford, Broughton" would be a waste of breath and ink.
I like the North Norfolk but Leicester South dichotomy.
Also, for the sake of historical records, as well as familiarity, it's good to keep names that have existed for decades/centuries, even if they probably wouldn't be chosen these days. This means that there is inconsistency, but never mind.
I agree with the OP that it's irritating when a constituency name includes an area and a place that's in that area. Hereford & South Herefordshire?! Rochester & Strood?!
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Post by John Chanin on Apr 11, 2016 21:01:38 GMT
In the early part of the last century, they tended to prefer short names, even if they weren't the largest town, or even central to the area. Thus we got St Ives, and Wells, and Maldon, and Leek, and Brigg, and my all time favourite Eye.
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Post by piperdave on Apr 11, 2016 21:14:12 GMT
And Gaelic is quite possibly the only language in the world whose orthography is an even more distasteful mess than English. On what basis are you saying that? I've always found Scots Gaelic to be incredibly regular.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Apr 11, 2016 21:35:04 GMT
In the early part of the last century, they tended to prefer short names, even if they weren't the largest town, or even central to the area. Thus we got St Ives, and Wells, and Maldon, and Leek, and Brigg, and my all time favourite Eye. North Shropshire should be Wem. Ely for one of the Cambridgeshire seats.
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