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Post by carlton43 on Apr 10, 2016 13:48:38 GMT
In cases like Folkestone & Hythe and Dover & Deal, just use the Folkestone and the Dover. Tonbridge & Malling, just Tonbridge. Just Rochester. Just Chatham. It is all so very simple. Just Canterbury and just Maidstone.
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Post by piperdave on Apr 10, 2016 23:43:33 GMT
I think there is something to be said for using the Australian naming system where there is no obvious seat name. I'm a big fan of seats like Bennelong and particularly Corangamite, especially when it was represented by Darren Leicester Cheeseman. I've considered this before but I'm not sure the good burghers of Kirkcaldy would like to find themselves in the constituency of 'Brown'. I might not mind so much my home constituency being 'Ewing'.
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Post by Penddu on Apr 11, 2016 0:42:14 GMT
And while there are more Welsh speakers in Carmarthenshire than Pembrokeshire, I wouldn't say it was a predominantly Welsh speaking area. wi'n cytuno....mae'n ofnadwy.. but bcw has a history of this and recently proposed Ceredigion and North Pembrokeshire... ...and Carmarthenshire is one of the most predominantly Welsh speaking areas - I will look up the statistics when i have time.
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Post by Penddu on Apr 11, 2016 0:43:32 GMT
I think there is something to be said for using the Australian naming system where there is no obvious seat name. I'm a big fan of seats like Bennelong and particularly Corangamite, especially when it was represented by Darren Leicester Cheeseman. I've considered this before but I'm not sure the good burghers of Kirkcaldy would like to find themselves in the constituency of 'Brown'. I might not mind so much my home constituency being 'Ewing'. This warrants a new thread all by itself.....Islwyn would be renamed Kinnock, Cardiff South - Callaghan, Cardiff West - Rhodri, Montgomeryshire - Lembit.... on the other hand.....
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Post by Foggy on Apr 11, 2016 0:45:02 GMT
There is no seat vast and disparate enough on these islands for us to go copying Australia and remote parts of Quebec, unless one has some kind of pathological attachment to single-word constituency names (though there are a few notable exceptions Down Under , such as 'Port Adelaide'). The Kent seats mentioned by carlton43 could indeed all be cut down to a single word, but I wouldn't apply that rule to dual-place seats across the country. I was shocked when I heard on the local news in the run-up to the 2010 election about the "new seat of Filton & Bradley Stoke" and had sympathy for people in other regions who'd be trying to figure out where it is on election night. The suggestion of YL to rename it after a major train station is spot on. I can't agree with lancastrian about 'Manchester Blackley and Broughton' as that would contain three place names and not entirely solve the Broughton ambiguity problem. I don't object on the basis that it suggests that somewhere in the Salford MB is part of Manchester, though. I can't quite believe he'd have heard of the Rainham in metropolitan Essex ahead of the Kent one. What precisely is it the former famous for?? The entirety of the town of Easington, County Durham lies within the seat of Easington AFAIK. None of the town of Easington, East Yorkshire does so. I would have few qualms with that, as long as this principle were applied uniformly across the country. The only one of those places I'd personally struggle to locate is Brighouse, but other people's mileage may vary. It would be a tough task for the Commission to figure how many people would be baffled by those names, and to what extent. I agree with andrewteale about the use of hyphens where necessary, so on reflection, Stratford-(up)on-Avon isn't so bad after all. The only hyphenated current seat I don't like is Aldridge-Brownhills. Or is that not a hyphen and in fact an m-dash, as in many Canadian ridings? Of course all Welsh seats should have separate official names in English and Welsh. I'm sorry to hear about the existential agony suffered by ntyuk1707 when trying to apply my style guide to his part of the country. I'm afraid nobody is likely to have heard of either Cumnock or Carrick outside of this context, although the latter is the surname of a top (English) professional footballer at the moment. Reorientation is also not a defence as this is occasionally necessary when redistricting. My own area almost saw 'Wells' look to the north-east rather than the west during the zombie review and I was prepared to accept this. The only reason I can think of for agreeing with him is that there is at present a Scottish Parliament seat called 'Ayr' with very different boundaries. This is clearly not an issue in England, but it'll soon become one in Wales too.
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Post by Penddu on Apr 11, 2016 2:11:19 GMT
And while there are more Welsh speakers in Carmarthenshire than Pembrokeshire, I wouldn't say it was a predominantly Welsh speaking area. wi'n cytuno....mae'n ofnadwy.. but bcw has a history of this and recently proposed Ceredigion and North Pembrokeshire... ...and Carmarthenshire is one of the most predominantly Welsh speaking areas - I will look up the statistics when i have time. quoted wrong comment...should have been to previous comnent by James D..
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Post by Penddu on Apr 11, 2016 2:21:40 GMT
And I have mixed views on having dual Welsh and English names for seats. There should be one single name - and this should reflect local usage. If there are two names then the English media will just ignore the Welsh version ...
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Post by minionofmidas on Apr 11, 2016 8:32:49 GMT
And I have mixed views on having dual Welsh and English names for seats. There should be one single name - and this should reflect local usage. If there are two names then the English media will just ignore the Welsh version ... Yeah, I'm not sure why people would want to limit that policy to Wales only. Seems unfair somehow. What's wrong with Dinasoedd Llundain a Westminster or Lerpwl Glan'rafon?
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Post by The Bishop on Apr 11, 2016 10:09:18 GMT
I think there is something to be said for using the Australian naming system where there is no obvious seat name. I'm a big fan of seats like Bennelong and particularly Corangamite, especially when it was represented by Darren Leicester Cheeseman. I've considered this before but I'm not sure the good burghers of Kirkcaldy would like to find themselves in the constituency of 'Brown' I suspect he is quite well regarded personally there, even if his party no longer is.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2016 10:32:26 GMT
I don't believe there should be hard and fast naming rules. Each part of the country is different, and names should be chosen to reflect the composition of each seat as accurately as possible.
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Post by Richard Allen on Apr 11, 2016 10:42:51 GMT
I wish to speak up for old historic names like Ludlow and Richmond and want to retain them. I still deplore the change of Leominster, which had been so named for 715 years, to North Herefordshire.
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Post by timrollpickering on Apr 11, 2016 11:18:19 GMT
1. Get rid of the distinction in names of county constituencies and borough constituencies. Journalists, politicians and psephologists almost always refer to "Cornwall North" anyway, not "North Cornwall". The compass point should be after the name, in all cases. Even when they're named after a current or historic settlement with the compass point first, writes a member from West Ham. And I dread the review that has to decide if "North Down" means the historic district or the northern part of County Down.
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Post by myth11 on Apr 11, 2016 11:25:04 GMT
I think any 'Mid' seat should instead be renamed 'Things That Were Left Over at the End'. In notts its called Sherwood lol
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Post by timrollpickering on Apr 11, 2016 11:26:46 GMT
I think there is something to be said for using the Australian naming system where there is no obvious seat name. I'm a big fan of seats like Bennelong and particularly Corangamite, especially when it was represented by Darren Leicester Cheeseman. I've considered this before but I'm not sure the good burghers of Kirkcaldy would like to find themselves in the constituency of 'Brown'. I might not mind so much my home constituency being 'Ewing'. The Australians don't actually require the seat to be the area the figure represented - which would immediately cause problems with PMs alone as Holt and Gorton both represented Higgins (which was later held by Peter Costello but he failed to make it a triple problem) and I'm sure you can find some significant state premiers who overlapped each other or federal PMs. Menzies is actually the seat next door to his old division of Kooyong. The new Whitlam division is in the Illawara when Gough represented Werriwa (another place not in the seat) in south west Sydney. However Lyons is the former PM's old Wilmot seat (which he also represented in the state parliament), though confusingly it also honours his wife who sat for Darwin now Braddon.
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Apr 11, 2016 11:27:43 GMT
1. Get rid of the distinction in names of county constituencies and borough constituencies. Journalists, politicians and psephologists almost always refer to "Cornwall North" anyway, not "North Cornwall". The compass point should be after the name, in all cases. Even when they're named after a current or historic settlement with the compass point first, writes a member from West Ham. And I dread the review that has to decide if "North Down" means the historic district or the northern part of County Down. Definitely the former. As a member from Kilkeel, the northern part of County Down starts just beyond Newcastle.
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Post by myth11 on Apr 11, 2016 11:31:51 GMT
we could go U.S style and just number then
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Post by minionofmidas on Apr 11, 2016 11:43:55 GMT
we could go U.S style and just number then Certainly good if you don't want to draw attention to gerrymanders.
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Post by carlton43 on Apr 11, 2016 11:55:30 GMT
And I have mixed views on having dual Welsh and English names for seats. There should be one single name - and this should reflect local usage. If there are two names then the English media will just ignore the Welsh version ... Well of course they will. What is the point of using a name no one in the rest of Britain can pronounce or identify. The naming is important for 'others' not for locals as they know where they are. Denbigh, Flint, Conway, Cardigan, and Anglesey all make good sense because we can say them and know where they are. Why go opaque and native just to piss off the rest of Britain? Here in Wester Ross I suppose some of the Celtic persuasion could opt for both Celtic script and a daft name (we have one in Western Isles.....Who can pronounce the new name?) to further confuse everybody in Britain! Just what useful practical purpose would that serve? Here we have dual language road signs which cause confusion and I am sure lead to accidents and mistakes because more micro-seconds are needed looking at signs to take in information that should be simpler. None but a small minority know what the Celtic means and were often unaware of those names until expensively hired pedantic scholars provided those names. Who would have been grossly misled without the Celtic names and script? Not a single person! Who is now being misled and confused? Many. What is this nonsense all about. Why do we pander to it? The Victorians being far less stupid tried to stamp all this out.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2016 12:10:38 GMT
And I have mixed views on having dual Welsh and English names for seats. There should be one single name - and this should reflect local usage. If there are two names then the English media will just ignore the Welsh version ... Well of course they will. What is the point of using a name no one in the rest of Britain can pronounce or identify. The naming is important for 'others' not for locals as they know where they are. Denbigh, Flint, Conway, Cardigan, and Anglesey all make good sense because we can say them and know where they are. Why go opaque and native just to piss off the rest of Britain? Here in Wester Ross I suppose some of the Celtic persuasion could opt for both Celtic script and a daft name (we have one in Western Isles.....Who can pronounce the new name?) to further confuse everybody in Britain! Just what useful practical purpose would that serve? Here we have dual language road signs which cause confusion and I am sure lead to accidents and mistakes because more micro-seconds are needed looking at signs to take in information that should be simpler. None but a small minority know what the Celtic means and were often unaware of those names until expensively hired pedantic scholars provided those names. Who would have been grossly misled without the Celtic names and script? Not a single person! Who is now being misled and confused? Many. What is this nonsense all about. Why do we pander to it? The Victorians being far less stupid tried to stamp all this out. I wondered if UKIP members supported a UK representing and promoting its own languages, history, and culture. Only if it's an English culture or English language, it seems. It used to be said that UKIP wanted to take the UK back to the 1950s. You want to take us back to the Victorian era!
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Post by carlton43 on Apr 11, 2016 12:20:01 GMT
Well of course they will. What is the point of using a name no one in the rest of Britain can pronounce or identify. The naming is important for 'others' not for locals as they know where they are. Denbigh, Flint, Conway, Cardigan, and Anglesey all make good sense because we can say them and know where they are. Why go opaque and native just to piss off the rest of Britain? Here in Wester Ross I suppose some of the Celtic persuasion could opt for both Celtic script and a daft name (we have one in Western Isles.....Who can pronounce the new name?) to further confuse everybody in Britain! Just what useful practical purpose would that serve? Here we have dual language road signs which cause confusion and I am sure lead to accidents and mistakes because more micro-seconds are needed looking at signs to take in information that should be simpler. None but a small minority know what the Celtic means and were often unaware of those names until expensively hired pedantic scholars provided those names. Who would have been grossly misled without the Celtic names and script? Not a single person! Who is now being misled and confused? Many. What is this nonsense all about. Why do we pander to it? The Victorians being far less stupid tried to stamp all this out. I wondered if UKIP members supported a UK representing and promoting its own languages, history, and culture. Only if it's an English culture or English language, it seems. It used to be said that UKIP wanted to take the UK back to the 1950s. You want to take us back to the Victorian era! If only doktorb, if only! Waistcoat and stove pipe topper is very me. Birth of railways, king coal, the greatest empire in the history of the world, Queen Empress, Disraeli, Servants, dominant navy, no passport required, gold sovereigns, fog in Channel............Europe 'cut off'! What's not to like. Correct in all particulars dok.
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