Foggy
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Post by Foggy on Feb 28, 2017 3:27:40 GMT
www.bcw2018.org.uk/node/7730/view – click on 'Cymraeg' (third option from the left on the top right of the page) and you'll see that some poor soul has had to translate from Ebner-Englisch into Welsh! Two of my regional submissions have not been published for some reason. They are those for the West Midlands and London. Each region appears to have a different approach to uploading supporting material and varying policies on redaction. I have gone through some of the other submissions for the South West, South East and Wales so far, looking for comments that will broadly support my eventual revisions. I believe this general comment for all of England to be the most intriguing so far: www.bce2018.org.uk/node/33173/viewThe author has clearly gone to a lot of effort in detailing his idiosyncratic views on nomenclature. He seems interested in history, yet thinks Ipswich is a city but Lichfield is a town, uses kilometres and miles in the same sentence at one point and has no problem with the Americanised spelling of doughnut... or indeed, 'Mid [county name]' seats.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 7:09:26 GMT
www.bcw2018.org.uk/node/7730/view – click on 'Cymraeg' (third option from the left on the top right of the page) and you'll see that some poor soul has had to translate from Ebner-Englisch into Welsh! Two of my regional submissions have not been published for some reason. They are those for the West Midlands and London. Each region appears to have a different approach to uploading supporting material and varying policies on redaction. I have gone through some of the other submissions for the South West, South East and Wales so far, looking for comments that will broadly support my eventual revisions. I believe this general comment for all of England to be the most intriguing so far: www.bce2018.org.uk/node/33173/viewThe author has clearly gone to a lot of effort in detailing his idiosyncratic views on nomenclature. He seems interested in history, yet thinks Ipswich is a city but Lichfield is a town, uses kilometres and miles in the same sentence at one point and has no problem with the Americanised spelling of doughnut... or indeed, 'Mid [county name]' seats. I want to be than man when I grow up.
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sirbenjamin
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Post by sirbenjamin on Feb 28, 2017 13:50:11 GMT
I don't like the way the comments and counter-proposals are presented. where a representation concentrates on a single ward, it's easy to find on the map, but finding comments affecting larger areas is nigh on impossible.
I'm not sure how I feel about my name and address only appearing on personal submissions and not the recommendations I made to local associations either.
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sirbenjamin
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Post by sirbenjamin on Feb 28, 2017 13:54:37 GMT
In fact, it's even worse than I thought. Looking a few more, it seems as though the map points only relate to the address of the submitter and may bear no relation to proposals in that area...
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Post by mrpastelito on Feb 28, 2017 14:16:20 GMT
The Tory attempt to gerrymander Exeter could hardly be less subtle. Indeed, but even from a nonpartisan point of view one has to admit the proposal has its merits. They're right about the numbers, and they're right in that St Loyes is Exeter proper and not East Devon lumped in with Exeter like Topsham. Tbf those parts of Topsham ward south(west) of the M5 should be transferred to East Devon altogether.
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Post by YL on Feb 28, 2017 17:51:01 GMT
I don't like the way the comments and counter-proposals are presented. where a representation concentrates on a single ward, it's easy to find on the map, but finding comments affecting larger areas is nigh on impossible. I find that the best way is to ignore the map, click on "View all comments", then filter by the region of interest and "Yes" for "Includes counter proposal".
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Feb 28, 2017 18:48:47 GMT
That's useful thanks. Looking at those that meet that criteria within the Eastern region I notice that Stepney has made the official response for the Conservative party
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Mar 1, 2017 10:41:39 GMT
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Post by mrpastelito on Mar 1, 2017 10:54:37 GMT
To those interested in the history and culture of Cornwall I'd heartily recommend the Truro public hearing transcripts. The prospect of North Cornwall being annexed by Devon clearly has them up in arms.
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Post by greatkingrat on Mar 1, 2017 11:11:51 GMT
Were any of them actually proposing an alternative (eg linking Saltash with Plymouth), or just generally moaning?
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Post by lennon on Mar 1, 2017 11:59:08 GMT
Were any of them actually proposing an alternative (eg linking Saltash with Plymouth), or just generally moaning? Please tell me at least someone threw the Scilly Isles to the wolves and put forward a valid Cornwall only suggestion.
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Post by mrpastelito on Mar 1, 2017 12:00:15 GMT
Were any of them actually proposing an alternative (eg linking Saltash with Plymouth), or just generally moaning? The gist is they'd be happy with just 5 constituencies with special provisions made for Cornwall and the Isles of Scilly just like for the Isle of Wight or the Scottish Isles. They uniformly reject any cross-boarder constituency and make their point over 120 or so pages, providing interesting historical, economic, legal, and cultural background information. Now, they're either extremely well organised, or there is indeed a strong, genuine public sentiment making itself heard. Hailing from the other side of the Tamar I have some sympathy for them. Devon is England - Cornwall isn't, and most Cornish people I know feel rather strongly about that, bless them.
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Post by mrpastelito on Mar 1, 2017 12:07:18 GMT
Were any of them actually proposing an alternative (eg linking Saltash with Plymouth), or just generally moaning? Please tell me at least someone threw the Scilly Isles to the wolves and put forward a valid Cornwall only suggestion. They didn't quite go that far, but a number pointed out that without the Isles, Cornwall proper could be split into 5 constituencies within quota. Others demanded Cornwall be treated separately just as Wales and Scotland and indeed the Isle of Wight are ('Cornwall only has about 10 miles land boundary!').
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Post by greenhert on Mar 1, 2017 18:05:30 GMT
If the quota had been set at 10% (or even 7.5%) in the first place, this particular problem could have been averted easily (as could a whole host of others especially in urban constituencies where ward sizes are larger).
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Post by sirbenjamin on Mar 1, 2017 19:01:09 GMT
If the quota had been set at 10% (or even 7.5%) in the first place, this particular problem could have been averted easily (as could a whole host of others especially in urban constituencies where ward sizes are larger). Yep. - 5% +/- variation. - Wards with 10000 people in them. - Not splitting wards on principle. - Target electorate of 74,769 in each seat. In isolation, there is absolutely nothing intrinsically wrong with any of these things, but in combination with one another they are positively toxic. Trying to make seats work in areas with large wards is almost impossible. Add a ward and it's over quota; take a ward away and it's under. Zero flexibility and in some cases sensible seats simply cannot be drawn. Increasing the variation to 7.5% would make it a hell of a lot easier. Even 6% would make a difference. Further reducing the number of seats, thereby increasing the size of the target electorate would also make it easier (as 5% either way would be a bigger real number). Changes at local government level to reduce the size of big wards would also make it easier. I don't buy any of the silly 'gerrymandering' arguments, but if there's a conspiracy theory that these criteria were chosen in order to make it as difficult to possible to draw seats...
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Post by An Sionnach Flannbhuí on Mar 1, 2017 19:50:07 GMT
The reasoned view from the pleasant apartment overlooking the free-flowing Yare: www.bce2018.org.uk/node/18103/viewAlmost all Norwich South views are a bit like this, but this the worst. Islington-on-the-Wolds... If they wants Wensum back, they's going actually have to engage...
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Post by An Sionnach Flannbhuí on Mar 1, 2017 20:01:25 GMT
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Post by Adrian on Mar 1, 2017 21:36:48 GMT
I think even Mr Keene would admit it's unlikely that Derby South will be renamed South Morleston...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 22:36:09 GMT
Please tell me at least someone threw the Scilly Isles to the wolves and put forward a valid Cornwall only suggestion. They didn't quite go that far, but a number pointed out that without the Isles, Cornwall proper could be split into 5 constituencies within quota. Others demanded Cornwall be treated separately just as Wales and Scotland and indeed the Isle of Wight are ('Cornwall only has about 10 miles land boundary!'). 5 Cornwall seats, Bristol West and the Isles of Scilly
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Post by Foggy on Mar 1, 2017 23:02:07 GMT
They didn't quite go that far, but a number pointed out that without the Isles, Cornwall proper could be split into 5 constituencies within quota. Others demanded Cornwall be treated separately just as Wales and Scotland and indeed the Isle of Wight are ('Cornwall only has about 10 miles land boundary!'). 5 Cornwall seats, Bristol West and the Isles of Scilly If that is a semi-serious suggestion, it should be Devon West & Torridge or Weston-super-Mare as they already have Lundy and Steepholm respectively. If that was meant to be deliberately absurd, you could've gone for Swindon South as the seat to be combined with the Scillies.
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