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Post by john07 on Oct 11, 2015 18:02:15 GMT
I have just returned from a long weekend in and around Nottingham, primarily in the Gedling borough. It looked to me that Nottingham is ridiculously tightly drawn, and there is an almost seamless transition between Nott'num, Gedling and Rushcliffe. Is the Trent not the boundary? I think that Notts County's ground is in Nottingham while Nottm Forest is located in Rushcliffe.
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Post by thirdchill on Oct 11, 2015 18:04:28 GMT
Sefton feels like the bits that are left over after the boundaries for other local authorities have been organised first, and then a decision has been made to cobble all of those bits together and call it a local authority.
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Post by thirdchill on Oct 11, 2015 18:05:45 GMT
You could easily split it between Bolton, Manchester and probably Trafford You could, political ramifications would be enormous. But broadly speaking the centre of Salford could go to Manchester, Eccles and Weaste to Trafford, Irlam and Cadishead to an enlarged Warrington? And Walkden and Worsley could go to Bolton.
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Post by dizz on Oct 11, 2015 18:49:47 GMT
And Broxtowe. As a bare minimum I would add West Bridgford and almost certainly Beeston as well. There is a also a very good case for adding Carlton and you could go as far as Arnold and Stapleford, although probably not in the case of the latter. I could hardly tell where Carlton finished and the city started. Similarly Netherfield. I imagine most people would regard those areas as unambiguously part of Nottingham. Entirely agree on West Bridgford and Beeston. Anything east of WB and Carlton (e.g Burton Joyce) could go into Newark & Sherwood. I had been on the verge of suggesting Gedling.... Agree that there is no clear transition from Nott'm to Gedling. Both Arnold & Carlton (based on the 8 County Council seats) would culturally fit in the City with Newstead & Calverton moving off to Newark & Sherwood. Beeston fits equally well culturally in the City with Chilwell too though I'd probably leave north of there in a separate authority. On the other hand I do think West Bridgford sufficient different to merit continuing as part of a separate authority.
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Post by Richard Allen on Oct 11, 2015 18:52:42 GMT
I have just returned from a long weekend in and around Nottingham, primarily in the Gedling borough. It looked to me that Nottingham is ridiculously tightly drawn, and there is an almost seamless transition between Nott'num, Gedling and Rushcliffe. Is the Trent not the boundary? I think that Notts County's ground is in Nottingham while Nottm Forest is located in Rushcliffe. The Trent is the boundary in the Eastern half of the city but on the Western side the city boundaries go south of the river to include Clifton.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 11, 2015 18:56:27 GMT
Which other cities in the UK are in your opinion 'ridiculously tightly drawn'? I am sure there is a good reason why the current constituency boundaries of 'Norwich North' include towns officially in the Broadland district (Sprowston and Thorpe St Andrew).
This reminded me that I'd scribbled a few ideas on these lines for redrawn urban unitary authorites. I needed to rummage around to find where I'd put the maps. Newcastle/Stock/Potteries - extend to M6 You can't add Stockport to the Potteries!
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Post by john07 on Oct 11, 2015 19:45:08 GMT
This reminded me that I'd scribbled a few ideas on these lines for redrawn urban unitary authorites. I needed to rummage around to find where I'd put the maps. Newcastle/Stock/Potteries - extend to M6 You can't add Stockport to the Potteries! I know that Stockport -particularly the Labour Group - is dysfunctional. But it's not that dysfunctional!
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 11, 2015 20:38:54 GMT
You can't add Stockport to the Potteries! I know that Stockport -particularly the Labour Group - is dysfunctional. But it's not that dysfunctional! If the merger can be arranged, Rummage would be an excellent new name (with apologies to Brum).
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Post by finsobruce on Oct 11, 2015 20:51:26 GMT
I know that Stockport -particularly the Labour Group - is dysfunctional. But it's not that dysfunctional! If the merger can be arranged, Rummage would be an excellent new name (with apologies to Brum). Well David Lodge might well approve.....
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Post by greenhert on Oct 11, 2015 21:09:23 GMT
This reminded me that I'd scribbled a few ideas on these lines for redrawn urban unitary authorites. I needed to rummage around to find where I'd put the maps. Newcastle/Stock/Potteries - extend to M6 You can't add Stockport to the Potteries! He meant Stoke-on-Trent (whose boundaries include all the Potteries towns I know of), not Stockport (which is nowhere near the Potteries in any case)-it must have been autocorrect
He should also have specifically said Newcastle-under-Lyme (which is a separate authority from Stoke in any case) in the same post.
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Post by greenchristian on Oct 11, 2015 21:38:43 GMT
You can't add Stockport to the Potteries! He meant Stoke-on-Trent (whose boundaries include all the Potteries towns I know of), not Stockport (which is nowhere near the Potteries in any case)-it must have been autocorrect
He should also have specifically said Newcastle-under-Lyme (which is a separate authority from Stoke in any case) in the same post.
But surely it's far more fun to imagine what a council containing Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Stockport, and the Potteries would look like...
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 11, 2015 23:05:21 GMT
He meant Stoke-on-Trent (whose boundaries include all the Potteries towns I know of), not Stockport (which is nowhere near the Potteries in any case)-it must have been autocorrect
He should also have specifically said Newcastle-under-Lyme (which is a separate authority from Stoke in any case) in the same post.
But surely it's far more fun to imagine what a council containing Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Stockport, and the Potteries would look like... Would the ultimate expression of Stoke-Stockport politics be multiple splinter groups from the Heald Green Ratepayers?
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Post by piperdave on Oct 12, 2015 18:15:39 GMT
Which other cities in the UK are in your opinion 'ridiculously tightly drawn'? I am sure there is a good reason why the current constituency boundaries of 'Norwich North' include towns officially in the Broadland district (Sprowston and Thorpe St Andrew).
This reminded me that I'd scribbled a few ideas on these lines for redrawn urban unitary authorites. I needed to rummage around to find where I'd put the maps. Glasgow - Cydebank/Paisley/Kilbride/Coatbridge/Kirkintolluch/Milngavie Edinburgh - add Dalkeith and Mussleburgh And here was me thinking the Lib Dems liked the areas that gave them decent levels of support...
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Post by gwynthegriff on Oct 12, 2015 18:44:15 GMT
This reminded me that I'd scribbled a few ideas on these lines for redrawn urban unitary authorites. I needed to rummage around to find where I'd put the maps. Newcastle/Stock/Potteries - extend to M6 Do the bits west of the M6 transfer to Cheshire? And how far north are you rolling this?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2015 19:00:59 GMT
I miss Strathclyde, Plus I would abolish Argyll & Bute. Bute would join the other Clyde islands in North Ayrshire & Buteshire. I still have a few Buteshire library books knocking around. Helensburgh back to Dunbarton, and Argyll with the Isles.
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Post by john07 on Oct 12, 2015 19:26:28 GMT
Which other cities in the UK are in your opinion 'ridiculously tightly drawn'? I am sure there is a good reason why the current constituency boundaries of 'Norwich North' include towns officially in the Broadland district (Sprowston and Thorpe St Andrew).
This reminded me that I'd scribbled a few ideas on these lines for redrawn urban unitary authorites. I needed to rummage around to find where I'd put the maps. Edinburgh - add Dalkeith and Mussleburgh Edinburgh was expanded in the west to include South Queensferry and Kirkliston. There is certainly a case for expanding to the east to bring in Mussleburgh, Tranent and some of the commuter towns. Dalkeith, Penicuik, Straiton etc could be included to the south. I suspect that there was political motivation in keeping the old eastern and southern boundaries in the 1975 reorganisation. Edinburgh was then seen as a Conservative leaning district. The addition of bits of West Lothian (South Queensferry, Kirkliston) and Midlothian (Cramond, Currie, Balerno) looked likely to favour the Conservatives. The addition of Messelburgh, Dalkeith, etc would not have done so.
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Post by finsobruce on Oct 12, 2015 22:30:59 GMT
I miss Strathclyde, Plus I would abolish Argyll & Bute. Bute would join the other Clyde islands in North Ayrshire & Buteshire. I still have a few Buteshire library books knocking around. Helensburgh back to Dunbarton, and Argyll with the Isles. When I buy second hand books on the internet which say "ex-library" they mostly turn out to be from Scotland, especially Falkirk for some reason.
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Post by J.G.Harston on Oct 12, 2015 22:32:28 GMT
This reminded me that I'd scribbled a few ideas on these lines for redrawn urban unitary authorites. I needed to rummage around to find where I'd put the maps. Newcastle/Stoke/Potteries - extend to M6 Do the bits west of the M6 transfer to Cheshire? And how far north are you rolling this? My notes are vaugely-circular outlines around conurbations in a 1994 AA Road Atlas, and Stoke/etc suffers from being on the edge of two pages, and there are no borders shown. My sketch is more-or-less very roughly, Cheshire border, railway line Madely to Stapleford, east to Blythe Marsh, north to Endon Bank, west to Mow Cop. Leftover bits of Newcastle-Under-Lyme to go to Stafford.
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Post by J.G.Harston on Oct 12, 2015 22:33:19 GMT
I miss Strathclyde, Plus I would abolish Argyll & Bute. Bute would join the other Clyde islands in North Ayrshire & Buteshire. I still have a few Buteshire library books knocking around. Helensburgh back to Dunbarton, and Argyll with the Isles. When I buy second hand books on the internet which say "ex-library" they mostly turn out to be from Scotland, especially Falkirk for some reason. Half of my Z80 programming reference manuals say "ex-Falkirk Libraries" in them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2015 22:55:04 GMT
I miss Strathclyde, Plus I would abolish Argyll & Bute. Bute would join the other Clyde islands in North Ayrshire & Buteshire. I still have a few Buteshire library books knocking around. Helensburgh back to Dunbarton, and Argyll with the Isles. When I buy second hand books on the internet which say "ex-library" they mostly turn out to be from Scotland, especially Falkirk for some reason. I have quite a few LP's with impossible to remove library stickers on them.
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