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Post by finsobruce on Mar 25, 2016 9:25:45 GMT
That doesn't say that, it says the Parts were subdivided into Ridings. Having grown up in Hastings I prefer Rapes... Well, yes i took it that JD meant that the parts (lindsey) were divided into ridings. Lincolnshire being a merger of two previous areas (Lindsey & Stamford) - wonder if they consulted widely about the change I don't think you can beat a Wapentake.
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Post by La Fontaine on Mar 25, 2016 11:37:09 GMT
After the events of the last few days, there must be quite a few in the Labour Party who wish they could abolish Gateshead.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Mar 25, 2016 14:57:38 GMT
Having an initial go at making new constituencies has reminded me what a lot of piddling councils there are still left in England. South Holland? Uttlesford? South Ribble? Rushmoor? Really? I'm not a fan of monstrosities like the two Cheshires, but there could certainly be some pairing up - for example the traditional parts of Lincolnshire. It's also made me think that the system of urban and rural councils we had before 1974 was much more democratic than the "sphere of influence" model that the 1974 changes were based on. Can you imagine being a councillor for a rural ward sitting/sifting through the 80% of business that's irrelevant to you? Must be a bit like watching Midlands Today if you're from Leek or Ludlow and seeing all that "local news" from Birmingham and the Black Country. To be honest, if you represent a rural ward in the east of a district, material concerning a rural ward in the west of the district is just as irrelevant as material concerning an urban ward. Anyway, people in rural wards are affected by the issues of urban wards, because that's where they work, shop and socialise. I could see a purpose for units like the old RDCs effectively taking on the role of parishes, but I think the overall direction of the 1974 changes was the right one. I definitely think mergers between district councils should be considered as an option, even if it's not always neat. For example, I've always thought Essex should be broken up into around 5 unitaries based on the current districts - Tendring and Colchester forming North East Essex; a Mid Essex authority covering Chelmsford, Braintree and Maldon; Harlow and Epping Forest forming West Essex; Basildon and Thurrock as the core of South Essex; Southend and Rochford making South East Essex. Brentwood and Castle Point could fit well in more than one of those, Uttlesford doesn't fit well in any (and nor does northern Braintree district), but that's because it's remote from everywhere else and there's not much that can be done about that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2016 12:10:37 GMT
I really like this! Some suggestions: * Move Kyle in with South Ayrshire. - I've noted a disconnect among members of my friends and family (from across the political spectrum) who feel that 'Ayr' (Prestwick and Troon) should belong to a separate council area to remaining parts of rural South Ayrshire: I feel that this reflects the more broad communal differences which exist between the urban and rural elements of South Ayrshire. Moving Kyle in to South Ayrshire would also avoid splitting "The Coalfield" towns of Tarbolton, Mossblown and Annbank, allowing for more effective local policies in that regard, and would avoid the separation of rural "Kyle" in to two separate council areas. Generally speaking the boundaries of the Kyle ward along the south are pretty abstract and exist more to fulfill an electoral quota than serve the communal ties of the area, which is why I don't feel that the ward should be split from North/South Carrick (unless the North Carrick ward is split along the River Doon, although that would make access between the Carrick and Cumnock elements of the existing South Ayrshire council area difficult without cutting through part of Ayr). * Make Berwick into its own council area or group with Roxburgh: I don't see this grouping as natural or serving the interests of the local community or either side, so it might be better to make Berwick in to its own council area (being a two-ward council like Nairn or Lochaber). * Musselburgh and Dalkeith could also be grouped in with Edinburgh. And bring Inverness together instead of splitting it between three councils!
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Post by piperdave on Mar 28, 2016 23:04:27 GMT
I think that's probably just a flaw in using the current council wards as building blocks. To throw in a hoary old chestnut, what is current opinion on a separate Inverness City Council?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 16:44:26 GMT
I think that's probably just a flaw in using the current council wards as building blocks. To throw in a hoary old chestnut, what is current opinion on a separate Inverness City Council? Depends whom you ask. I'm very strongly in favour of an Inverness City Council and, in fact, of a similar structure to that proposed by afleitch in his post. In the Highlands, folk identify most strongly with the former districts, especially where they were coterminous with the preceeding counties. The urbanisation and expansion of Inverness over the last two decades makes it a poor fit with the rest of the region and, to be honest, is causing a lot of resentment from folk from both within and outwith the city.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 16:50:02 GMT
Depends whom you ask. I'm very strongly in favour of an Inverness City Council and, in fact, of a similar structure to that proposed by afleitch in his post. In the Highlands, folk identify most strongly with the former districts, especially where they were coterminous with the preceeding counties. The urbanisation and expansion of Inverness over the last two decades makes it a poor fit with the rest of the region and, to be honest, is causing a lot of resentment from folk from both within and outwith the city. A side note from your previous post: Afleitch's map has the city of Inverness in one council area. No, it doesn't. It includes half of Inverness South (which includes Cradlehall and Westhill) in with Badenoch & Strathspey and Culloden & Ardersier (which includes Smithton, Culloden, and Balloch) in with Nairn.
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Post by J.G.Harston on Mar 31, 2016 19:05:41 GMT
I think that's probably just a flaw in using the current council wards as building blocks. To throw in a hoary old chestnut, what is current opinion on a separate Inverness City Council? When I was living in Aberdeenshire in 2010 most people I talked to who interacted with the council were discussing whether to re-merge Aberdeen and Aberdeenshire.
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Post by piperdave on Mar 31, 2016 19:45:27 GMT
It is a longstanding debate in council and constituency creation. Is the urban area so different from the rural surroundings that they should be separate, or does their interdependent relationship mean they should be combined?
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Post by afleitch on Mar 31, 2016 20:22:35 GMT
No, it doesn't. It includes half of Inverness South (which includes Cradlehall and Westhill) in with Badenoch & Strathspey and Culloden & Ardersier (which includes Smithton, Culloden, and Balloch) in with Nairn. Nope. The remainder of Inverness South covers a vast rural area south of Inverness, which is not part of the locality itself. Both Culloden and Ardersier are also separate localities from Inverness itself, located miles away from Inverness City. There's a lot of talk about how Ive split Inverness on a wee map Inverness proper (in relation to the old burgh) doesn't include Inverness South. Despite that I've included Inshes, Leys etc. I think Westhill and Culloden are distinctly separate from Inverness so I've not added them. So I've kept Inverness' hinterland 'west' rather than 'east' (as east has past and expected growth; Tornagrain etc). You could leave Inverness South intact. It wouldn't bother me.
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Post by Foggy on Apr 1, 2016 0:13:40 GMT
It get rid of Manchester city council and split it into Lancashire (north) and Cheshire (south). The current Manchester City Council area lay historically entirely within Lancashire AFAIK. It does not currently border either Lancashire or Cheshire, administratively or ceremonially. If you meant the Greater Manchester area (which has not been under a single council for 3 decades), however, then I agree entirely. Sadly, it appears the present Chancellor of the Exchequer is of an utterly different opinion on this matter... and his opinion seems more important than that of the Communities and Local Government Secretary, for whatever reason.
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Post by J.G.Harston on Apr 1, 2016 2:51:36 GMT
It get rid of Manchester city council and split it into Lancashire (north) and Cheshire (south). The current Manchester City Council area lay historically entirely within Lancashire AFAIK. It does not currently border either Lancashire or Cheshire, administratively or ceremonially. Wythenshawe is south of the Mersey and so is in Cheshire and was annexed by Manchester City Council in 1931. The rest of Manchester is, as you say, in Lancashire.
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Post by Foggy on Apr 2, 2016 19:45:20 GMT
The current Manchester City Council area lay historically entirely within Lancashire AFAIK. It does not currently border either Lancashire or Cheshire, administratively or ceremonially. Wythenshawe is south of the Mersey and so is in Cheshire and was annexed by Manchester City Council in 1931. The rest of Manchester is, as you say, in Lancashire. Yes, the airport zone that is Wythenshawe is the one area I wasn't sure about, and what caused me to add that 'AFAIK' to the end of the first sentence in my previous post.. The general point still stands though. Thanks for clarifying.
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Post by john07 on Apr 3, 2016 15:50:05 GMT
Wythenshawe is south of the Mersey and so is in Cheshire and was annexed by Manchester City Council in 1931. The rest of Manchester is, as you say, in Lancashire. Yes, the airport zone that is Wythenshawe is the one area I wasn't sure about, and what caused me to add that 'AFAIK' to the end of the first sentence in my previous post.. The general point still stands though. Thanks for clarifying. It's a lot more than the airport zone. The whole of the former Wythenshawe Constituency (Baguley, Brooklands, Northenden, Sharston, etc.) is south of the Mersey and hence was historically part of Cheshire. Stockport is similarly divided with the Heatons and Reddish being historically part of Lancashire.
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