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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 8, 2015 17:41:48 GMT
As the title suggests, which councils (district, unitary, county, metropolitan) would you abolish and what would you replace them with?
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Post by bolbridge on Oct 8, 2015 17:50:41 GMT
Salford
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Post by bolbridge on Oct 8, 2015 17:51:45 GMT
You could easily split it between Bolton, Manchester and probably Trafford
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 8, 2015 17:56:07 GMT
You could easily split it between Bolton, Manchester and probably Trafford You could, political ramifications would be enormous. But broadly speaking the centre of Salford could go to Manchester, Eccles and Weaste to Trafford, Irlam and Cadishead to an enlarged Warrington?
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Post by bolbridge on Oct 8, 2015 17:59:27 GMT
Interesting. Hadn't thought about Warrington. Lots of schoolchildren in Irlam and Cadishead go to Culcheth. Other than that can't really think of a justification for putting them in Warrington rather than Trafford.
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Post by bolbridge on Oct 8, 2015 18:01:28 GMT
Others in Greater Manchester:
Tameside to Manchester, Stockport and Oldham
A very controversial move would be to abolish Bury: could put Radcliffe and Ainsworth in Bolton, Prestwich and possibly Whitefield in Manchester. The rest in Rochdale or Bolton. Of course originally Bury and Rochdale were to make one council, as Bury was deemed to small, by the Conservatives wanted a safe council so they added Prestwich to make Bury viable.
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Post by andrewteale on Oct 8, 2015 18:06:14 GMT
I have trouble seeing the point of Oadby and Wigston as a district council. Leicester should annex it.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 8, 2015 18:10:09 GMT
Interesting. Hadn't thought about Warrington. Lots of schoolchildren in Irlam and Cadishead go to Culcheth. Other than that can't really think of a justification for putting them in Warrington rather than Trafford. Irlam is connected to Warrington via its only train link, and has no train link to the rest of Salford. They are also linked by the A57. More uselessly, Irlam is a hotbed of Warrington RL fans.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 18:33:50 GMT
The Highland Council. What would replace it depends on what wider reforms were enacted for local government in Scotland, but THC has to go.
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Post by john07 on Oct 8, 2015 18:46:11 GMT
I could never see why the Salford Metropolitan Authority was ever created in the first place. Salford has no identifiable centre or focal point. I suppose the nearest to one is the around the Crescent. Even the University describes itself as the University of Salford, Manchester! A complete dysfunctional waste of space. Put the 'old' Salford into Manchester, the rest into Bolton or Wigan. Same with Tameside. Denton into Stockport, Droylesden into Manchester and merge the rest with Oldham. Sefton probably comes into the same category although I don't know enough about the area to be more specific. Basically do away with all Met Authorities without a League Football team.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 8, 2015 19:49:54 GMT
The Highland Council. What would replace it depends on what wider reforms were enacted for local government in Scotland, but THC has to go. Splitting up or adding more territory?
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Post by neilm on Oct 8, 2015 19:58:10 GMT
The Highland Council. What would replace it depends on what wider reforms were enacted for local government in Scotland, but THC has to go. Aren't you a Highland councillor? Apologies if I'm wrong.
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Post by greenhert on Oct 8, 2015 20:36:09 GMT
In terms of council abolition, these second-tier councils created since 1972 should all be abolished, town and parish councils should have the powers of those district councils back (and be restored if they have been abolished), and the pre-1972 county boundaries should be restored (which for example would place Bournemouth and Christchurch back in Hampshire, put the Wirral back in Cheshire and the rest of Merseyside back in Lancashire).
I would also abolish the Greater London Assembly, restore Middlesex County Council and the Inner London Council so its place can be taken, split up those boroughs and restore their component parts (e.g. let Finsbury and Shoreditch become separate boroughs in their own right again), and return other outer London boroughs to the traditional counties from whence they came (e.g. return Waltham Forest to Essex and Bromley to Kent).
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Post by finsobruce on Oct 8, 2015 20:39:41 GMT
In terms of council abolition, these second-tier councils created since 1972 should all be abolished, town and parish councils should have the powers of those district councils back (and be restored if they have been abolished), and the pre-1972 county boundaries should be restored (which for example would place Bournemouth and Christchurch back in Hampshire, put the Wirral back in Cheshire and the rest of Merseyside back in Lancashire). I would also abolish the Greater London Assembly, restore Middlesex County Council and the Inner London Council so its place can be taken, split up those boroughs and restore their component parts (e.g. let Finsbury and Shoreditch become separate boroughs in their own right again), and return other outer London boroughs to the traditional counties from whence they came (e.g. return Waltham Forest to Essex and Bromley to Kent). Do you mean the London County Council?
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Post by froome on Oct 8, 2015 20:44:02 GMT
1. Mendip district council.
It is based around a range of hills, and the communities on either side have little connection between them. Frome could be asorbed into Bath & N.E. Somerset, while the towns to the south of the Mendips (Wells, Glastonbury, etc) are more connected with those in Sedgemoor (Cheddar, Axbridge etc).
2. Wiltshire unitary authority.
Like Mendip, Wiltshire's population is all found around its edges, with an almost empty middle. While the district councils that existed before weren't prefect, they made far more sense than having one council stretching from Malmesbury down to south of Salisbury.
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Post by greenhert on Oct 8, 2015 20:46:27 GMT
In terms of council abolition, these second-tier councils created since 1972 should all be abolished, town and parish councils should have the powers of those district councils back (and be restored if they have been abolished), and the pre-1972 county boundaries should be restored (which for example would place Bournemouth and Christchurch back in Hampshire, put the Wirral back in Cheshire and the rest of Merseyside back in Lancashire). I would also abolish the Greater London Assembly, restore Middlesex County Council and the Inner London Council so its place can be taken, split up those boroughs and restore their component parts (e.g. let Finsbury and Shoreditch become separate boroughs in their own right again), and return other outer London boroughs to the traditional counties from whence they came (e.g. return Waltham Forest to Essex and Bromley to Kent). Do you mean the London County Council?
I do, finsobruce, yes, because the London County Council covered only boroughs in what we now know as Inner London (i.e. Westminster, Lambeth, Wandsworth, Lewisham, Greenwich, Hackney, Camden, Islington, Kensington & Chelsea, Hammersmith & Fulham, Tower Hamlets, and Southwark)
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Post by greenhert on Oct 8, 2015 20:50:08 GMT
1. Mendip district council. It is based around a range of hills, and the communities on either side have little connection between them. Frome could be asorbed into Bath & N.E. Somerset, while the towns to the south of the Mendips (Wells, Glastonbury, etc) are more connected with those in Sedgemoor (Cheddar, Axbridge etc). 2. Wiltshire unitary authority. Like Mendip, Wiltshire's population is all found around its edges, with an almost empty middle. While the district councils that existed before weren't prefect, they made far more sense than having one council stretching from Malmesbury down to south of Salisbury.On point 1, I presume that lack of connection partly explains why there has never been a unified 'Mendip' parliamentary constituency (e.g. 'Frome and Glastonbury).
On point 2, similar things could definitely be said for other mainly rural unitary authorities (Cornwall, Shropshire, Northumberland, and Durham) that should not have been created in the first place.
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Post by Chris on Oct 8, 2015 21:14:01 GMT
I will leave someone over the Tamar to draw the new boundaries, but the Cornwall unitary is an unwieldy incohesive mess of a council that could do with splitting up!
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Post by froome on Oct 8, 2015 21:34:18 GMT
1. Mendip district council. It is based around a range of hills, and the communities on either side have little connection between them. Frome could be asorbed into Bath & N.E. Somerset, while the towns to the south of the Mendips (Wells, Glastonbury, etc) are more connected with those in Sedgemoor (Cheddar, Axbridge etc). 2. Wiltshire unitary authority. Like Mendip, Wiltshire's population is all found around its edges, with an almost empty middle. While the district councils that existed before weren't prefect, they made far more sense than having one council stretching from Malmesbury down to south of Salisbury.On point 1, I presume that lack of connection partly explains why there has never been a unified 'Mendip' parliamentary constituency (e.g. 'Frome and Glastonbury).
The parliamentary constituencies here make even less sense than the district councils. Somerton & Frome is a horrendous creation, made up of the bits that didn't fit into anywhere else. Frome is probably more connected with west Wiltshire than anywhere else, and a district council that covered them all, i.e. Frome, Trowbridge, Westbury, etc, would make sense (though as that would mean crossing the county boundary, it won't happen).
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Post by peterl on Oct 8, 2015 21:47:51 GMT
Rutland. Seriously, a unitary authority covering a population of 28,588. An utter waste of money duplicating all those county level departments. Make them a second tier district and bung them under Leicestershire.
All whole county unitaries. Unwieldy and unmanageable.
I'll second the Highlands Council. It may be relatively sparsely populated, but its just large an area for one authority. Dividing it into North Highlands and South Highlands would make sense.
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