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Post by carlton43 on Aug 11, 2015 14:04:52 GMT
I live in the fond delusion that you'll eventually decide to read what you write before everybody else does. I expect you live a complete life of 'fond delusions'? But I really don't care. I am far less concerned with you than you seem to be about me. I am just in after a couple of hours of brush and tree trimming and have been thoroughly midged. Midges rather remind me of you!
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mondialito
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Post by mondialito on Oct 2, 2015 21:51:21 GMT
Fix it at 650, redistribute the seats between the nations every 10 years.
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Harry Hayfield
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Oct 29, 2015 14:50:11 GMT
This is a chart of the projected UK population from 2015 to 2115 as produced by the ONS If we assume that (as a rough rule of thumb) the electorate of the UK is 69% of the population, how many seats will the UK have to have to ensure that each seat is 1/650th of the UK average?
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Post by greatkingrat on Oct 29, 2015 15:01:35 GMT
650 as a wild guess?
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Feb 12, 2016 12:31:43 GMT
Where has Yorkshire gone?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2016 12:36:57 GMT
Where has Yorkshire gone? An independent republic
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Jun 23, 2016 7:39:15 GMT
either James A. Dowden 358 seats or 1000 seats or 500 seats
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Dalek
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Post by Dalek on Jul 14, 2016 12:24:17 GMT
I like the system pretty much as it is with FPTP as the method. 600 would be a the absolute minimum and 700 a few too many. Even size should be the norm and I would not make islands an exception. Increasing population would make all seats have more members revision by revision. I don't think 100k is too many in a constituency with all the many form of communication. Most people never 'need' to see their MP at all. Few 'need' to contact an MP more than once or twice in a lifetime. Many people have a love of the thought of local associations with an area and having a 'local MP. Names are important but should be kept brief, simple and obvious. No Langbaugh, Gravesham or Eddisbury. And like with like as far as possible. No joining of towns that hate each other or have no focus and contact.
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Dalek
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Post by Dalek on Jul 14, 2016 12:29:59 GMT
What's interesting is that Scotland's growing over representation that saw Scotland drop from 72 to 59 MP's in 2005 was not down to a falling population but a growing population in England.
An average Scottish seat of 55,000 (2001 Scottish Quota) was perhaps the 1955 UK quota.
I have always wondered why Scotland was reduced from 72 to 59 constituencies but Wales retained its 40 when both nations were awarded devolution. Based on a UK quota, Wales would have been reduced to around 30 constituencies.
Why does Wales retain 40 MP's when it also has devolution?
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Jul 14, 2016 12:46:21 GMT
What's interesting is that Scotland's growing over representation that saw Scotland drop from 72 to 59 MP's in 2005 was not down to a falling population but a growing population in England.
An average Scottish seat of 55,000 (2001 Scottish Quota) was perhaps the 1955 UK quota.
I have always wondered why Scotland was reduced from 72 to 59 constituencies but Wales retained its 40 when both nations were awarded devolution. Based on a UK quota, Wales would have been reduced to around 30 constituencies.
Why does Wales retain 40 MP's when it also has devolution? From the onset the Scottish parliament had more powers within its respective jurisdiction than the Welsh Assembly, the latter of which has been described by various members here as "an overglorified county council", or something to that effect. So up until recently, it could be argued that Wales hadn't received the appropriated level of autonomy to warrant a reduction in Westminster representation like Scotland had. I'm just guessing, of course.
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Post by maxque on Jul 15, 2016 10:05:14 GMT
What's interesting is that Scotland's growing over representation that saw Scotland drop from 72 to 59 MP's in 2005 was not down to a falling population but a growing population in England.
An average Scottish seat of 55,000 (2001 Scottish Quota) was perhaps the 1955 UK quota.
I have always wondered why Scotland was reduced from 72 to 59 constituencies but Wales retained its 40 when both nations were awarded devolution. Based on a UK quota, Wales would have been reduced to around 30 constituencies.
Why does Wales retain 40 MP's when it also has devolution? Scotland got full-fledged devolution, while Wales didn't have real legislative powers before 2006, but only the power to manage parts of the Westminster spending in Wales. It was much weaker.
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cibwr
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Post by cibwr on Jul 16, 2016 10:51:40 GMT
What's interesting is that Scotland's growing over representation that saw Scotland drop from 72 to 59 MP's in 2005 was not down to a falling population but a growing population in England.
An average Scottish seat of 55,000 (2001 Scottish Quota) was perhaps the 1955 UK quota.
I have always wondered why Scotland was reduced from 72 to 59 constituencies but Wales retained its 40 when both nations were awarded devolution. Based on a UK quota, Wales would have been reduced to around 30 constituencies.
Why does Wales retain 40 MP's when it also has devolution? Scotland got full-fledged devolution, while Wales didn't have real legislative powers before 2006, but only the power to manage parts of the Westminster spending in Wales. It was much weaker. Also I think it a case of Wales is too small to matter to the civil service. The use of preserved counties as the quota defining bits tended to have a racheting effect on the number of seats, going up from 36 in the 1970s to 40 now. While the National Assembly lacked primary legislative powers there was not much interest in reducing the number of MPs, and has been seen the geography makes it difficult to maintain community ties and have 29 sensible constituencies. Coupled with 22 local authorities, 8 preserved counties, sparse rural populations and valleys with little east west communication in Glamorgan/Gwent its quite difficult to come up with really sound constituencies that have any community cohesion.
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Post by afleitch on Jul 16, 2016 12:09:14 GMT
For England I'd go with an 'Isle of Wight' rule; the electorate of the Isle of Wight = 1 seat. All ceremonial counties are apportioned accordingly (with Leicestershire combined with Rutland obviously). Nothing cross county.
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Post by islington on Jul 16, 2016 12:32:14 GMT
For England I'd go with an 'Isle of Wight' rule; the electorate of the Isle of Wight = 1 seat. All ceremonial counties are apportioned accordingly (with Leicestershire combined with Rutland obviously). Nothing cross county. The words 'tail', 'wag' and 'dog' spring to mind.
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Post by greatkingrat on Jul 16, 2016 13:14:38 GMT
For England I'd go with an 'Isle of Wight' rule; the electorate of the Isle of Wight = 1 seat. All ceremonial counties are apportioned accordingly (with Leicestershire combined with Rutland obviously). Nothing cross county. Or make Rutland = 1 seat and have 1600 MPs!
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Post by afleitch on Jul 16, 2016 15:52:57 GMT
For England I'd go with an 'Isle of Wight' rule; the electorate of the Isle of Wight = 1 seat. All ceremonial counties are apportioned accordingly (with Leicestershire combined with Rutland obviously). Nothing cross county. The words 'tail', 'wag' and 'dog' spring to mind. Not so much, as the proportions would remain the same.
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Dalek
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Post by Dalek on Jul 29, 2016 17:59:50 GMT
I think that there should be 340 FPTP constituencies and a further 260 regional list seats elected in 30 or so regional areas (same system and ratio as Holyrood).
The list regions would not cross any of any national boundary or those of the 9 English regions.
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Post by greenhert on Jul 29, 2016 20:45:51 GMT
Dalek, would you like me to draw up a list of possible constituencies in such an AMS scenario?
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Dalek
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Post by Dalek on Jul 31, 2016 9:47:09 GMT
Dalek , would you like me to draw up a list of possible constituencies in such an AMS scenario? If you like...that been interesting....I did something similar on Boundary Assistant some time ago but have lost my data.
Some constituencies with a much larger quota worked really well. I also constructed list MP regions.
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Dalek
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Post by Dalek on Jul 31, 2016 9:47:55 GMT
Be not Been
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