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Post by iainbhx on Sept 6, 2016 14:49:33 GMT
Birmingham has now been finalised.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 15:45:45 GMT
Can't get the page to come up, for some reason.
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Post by neilm on Sept 7, 2016 7:08:46 GMT
Can't get the page to come up, for some reason. It's probably crashed under the weight of annoyed locals and salivating electoral nerds.
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Post by greenhert on Sept 7, 2016 8:09:01 GMT
neilm, it is now fully functional. Avoiding use of 3-member wards actually made these recommendations more sensible than in previous Birmingham reviews, in my opinion. The fact that there will be only 101 councillors in Birmingham does create inherent problems, though; Birmingham really needs 200 councillors to properly represent its electorate (which according to the report is projected to be as high as 813,981 by 2021).
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Post by rocky on Sept 7, 2016 10:59:05 GMT
The final boundaries have actually end up a significant improvement on either set of drafts. Which at least shows in most cases the consultations did actually do its job. Pleasantly surprised on the whole.
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Post by John Chanin on Sept 7, 2016 11:31:01 GMT
The final boundaries have actually end up a significant improvement on either set of drafts. Which at least shows in most cases the consultations did actually do its job. Pleasantly surprised on the whole. Agreed. My only real beef is that there are too many unnecessary 2 member wards which could easily be split to make sensible 1 member wards. But I recognise I'm in a minority here. Most of the consultation responses wanted larger wards. It's inexplicable to me, but I guess it's just what people are used to.
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Post by Adrian on Sept 12, 2016 22:36:21 GMT
I think a lot of people in the city are not only used to 3-member wards, they like them. I like them. For one thing, we get a vote three times every four years, which is good for democracy. Generally speaking, single-member FPTP is a very poor system, so anything else feels like an improvement.
By the way, to the confusion of the local Labour councillors, the Commission made a last-minute decision to change the Oscott-Kingstanding boundary, adopting the Conservative and Residents' proposal, so it's "Goodbye Oscott" for me, albeit too late to prevent being moved into a Walsall constituency. (I'll edit this in 20 minutes if the BCE have kept Oscott in a Bham seat!)
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Post by connorw on Oct 25, 2016 15:30:17 GMT
I think a lot of people in the city are not only used to 3-member wards, they like them. I like them. For one thing, we get a vote three times every four years, which is good for democracy. Generally speaking, single-member FPTP is a very poor system, so anything else feels like an improvement. By the way, to the confusion of the local Labour councillors, the Commission made a last-minute decision to change the Oscott-Kingstanding boundary, adopting the Conservative and Residents' proposal, so it's "Goodbye Oscott" for me, albeit too late to prevent being moved into a Walsall constituency. (I'll edit this in 20 minutes if the BCE have kept Oscott in a Bham seat!) Sorry to bring this thread back up. I can't believe for the North Birmingham area it was only the Conservative proposal that was listened to. I was surprised when I saw Wyrley Birch in Stockland Green Ward and Birches Green in Pype Hayes Ward. Looks like you're me in Erdington constituency.
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Post by BossMan on Oct 25, 2016 16:01:56 GMT
I think a lot of people in the city are not only used to 3-member wards, they like them. I like them. For one thing, we get a vote three times every four years, which is good for democracy. Generally speaking, single-member FPTP is a very poor system, so anything else feels like an improvement. By the way, to the confusion of the local Labour councillors, the Commission made a last-minute decision to change the Oscott-Kingstanding boundary, adopting the Conservative and Residents' proposal, so it's "Goodbye Oscott" for me, albeit too late to prevent being moved into a Walsall constituency. (I'll edit this in 20 minutes if the BCE have kept Oscott in a Bham seat!) Sorry to bring this thread back up. I can't believe for the North Birmingham area it was only the Conservative proposal that was listened to. I was surprised when I saw Wyrley Birch in Stockland Green Ward and Birches Green in Pype Hayes Ward. Looks like you're me in Erdington constituency. No need to apologise for reviving this thread, especially as this is your first post. Welcome aboard. From your avatar I would hazard a guess that you're a Labour supporter. I can display you as such if you so wish.
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Post by connorw on Oct 25, 2016 16:16:14 GMT
Sorry to bring this thread back up. I can't believe for the North Birmingham area it was only the Conservative proposal that was listened to. I was surprised when I saw Wyrley Birch in Stockland Green Ward and Birches Green in Pype Hayes Ward. Looks like you're me in Erdington constituency. No need to apologise for reviving this thread, especially as this is your first post. Welcome aboard. From your avatar I would hazard a guess that you're a Labour supporter. I can display you as such if you so wish. Yes, Thanks. :-)
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Post by rocky on Oct 28, 2016 23:56:35 GMT
I think a lot of people in the city are not only used to 3-member wards, they like them. I like them. For one thing, we get a vote three times every four years, which is good for democracy. Generally speaking, single-member FPTP is a very poor system, so anything else feels like an improvement. By the way, to the confusion of the local Labour councillors, the Commission made a last-minute decision to change the Oscott-Kingstanding boundary, adopting the Conservative and Residents' proposal, so it's "Goodbye Oscott" for me, albeit too late to prevent being moved into a Walsall constituency. (I'll edit this in 20 minutes if the BCE have kept Oscott in a Bham seat!) Sorry to bring this thread back up. I can't believe for the North Birmingham area it was only the Conservative proposal that was listened to. I was surprised when I saw Wyrley Birch in Stockland Green Ward and Birches Green in Pype Hayes Ward. Looks like you're me in Erdington constituency. Welcome, however hate to say this on your first post but your incorrect. the commission listened to the submissions they received from Conservatives and the resident submission as the post you quote highlights not just the conservatives. They couldn't listen to a Labour proposal as the Labour Party didn't submit one in the final round of consultation. Secondly wyrley Birch was in the same ward as the top of Stockland green until 2004 and part of the effective wider estate was in Stockland green 2004 till now. Thirdly birches green being put with Pype Hayes is not a surprise they have been in the same ward since at least 1945 but quite possibly from when Erdington joined Birmingham in the early 20th century. The original labour proposal from the first stage consultation proposed adding Pype Hayes to the Yenton part of Erdington central which hasn't much history of being connected. Splitting Birches Green and Pype Hayes makes no sense, particularly when they didn't need to, and the commission realised that!
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Post by connorw on Oct 29, 2016 8:50:46 GMT
Sorry to bring this thread back up. I can't believe for the North Birmingham area it was only the Conservative proposal that was listened to. I was surprised when I saw Wyrley Birch in Stockland Green Ward and Birches Green in Pype Hayes Ward. Looks like you're me in Erdington constituency. Welcome, however hate to say this on your first post but your incorrect. the commission listened to the submissions they received from Conservatives and the resident submission as the post you quote highlights not just the conservatives. They couldn't listen to a Labour proposal as the Labour Party didn't submit one in the final round of consultation. Secondly wyrley Birch was in the same ward as the top of Stockland green until 2004 and part of the effective wider estate was in Stockland green 2004 till now. Thirdly birches green being put with Pype Hayes is not a surprise they have been in the same ward since at least 1945 but quite possibly from when Erdington joined Birmingham in the early 20th century. The original labour proposal from the first stage consultation proposed adding Pype Hayes to the Yenton part of Erdington central which hasn't much history of being connected. Splitting Birches Green and Pype Hayes makes no sense, particularly when they didn't need to, and the commission realised that! The Labour Group did submit proposals - www.lgbce.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0007/29644/LabourGroup-Birmingham-2016-06-20_Redacted.pdf Wyrley Birch has strong links with the wider Kingstanding community. Wyrley Birch, New Oscott and Perry Common community groups all work very well together, it's a shame that they will be split up. Pype Hayes Park unites the Pitts Farm Estate and Pype Hayes Estate.
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Post by rocky on Oct 30, 2016 20:12:15 GMT
What I said in the previous post was labour didn't submit one to the final stage of the consultation, which they didn't.
Wyrley Birch has nothing in common with New Oscott. The final Perry common ward of Court Farm, Perry Common and New Oscott all areas which connect to Witton lodge road makes far more sense than the Labour proposal that required you leaving the ward to go between parts of the proposed ward.
Pype Hayes Park no more connects Pype Hayes with the Yenton area (the vast majority of which is not the Pitts farm estate) than it does Walmley!
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