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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 10:22:44 GMT
I would have thought it would be even harder to come up with sensible seats for a 650 house if they don't relax the 5% rule as well (unless ward splitting is allowed) Ward splitting was allowed, it's just than the Boundary Commission was too stubborn to consider it. They did consider it, then denied ever contemplating doing it, and finally went for it
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Post by Crimson King on May 12, 2015 10:24:01 GMT
I would have thought it would be even harder to come up with sensible seats for a 650 house if they don't relax the 5% rule as well (unless ward splitting is allowed) Ward splitting was allowed, it's just than the Boundary Commission was too stubborn to consider it. indeed, perhaps I could have worded it better
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Post by Harry Hayfield on May 12, 2015 12:05:29 GMT
I've started on Wales and have so far created ten seats using the Boundary Assistant page, but don't know how to post them
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 12:13:45 GMT
I've started on Wales and have so far created ten seats using the Boundary Assistant page, but don't know how to post them Screen grab/print screen, save on Paint or other similar programme, upload to Imgur or similar, post link here.
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Post by Harry Hayfield on May 12, 2015 13:30:51 GMT
From top to bottom we have: Ynys Môn, Caernarfon and Bangor (70,163), Snowdonia (69,770), Clwyd North West (70,703), Rhyl, Denbigh and Prestatyn (69,122), Flint and Ruthin (71,312), Wrexham Boroughs (71,256), Wrexham Town (68,616), North Wales Rural (71,151), Heart of Wales (69,903) and Brecon Beacons and the Cambrians (70,711)
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Post by greatkingrat on May 12, 2015 13:40:41 GMT
A constituency stretching from Cardigan to the English Border? Some geographically unwieldy constituencies are inevitable in Mid Wales, but surely a East/West split would work better?
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 15:36:54 GMT
I can't tell whether Harry is joking here or not.
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Post by Harry Hayfield on May 12, 2015 16:05:57 GMT
A constituency stretching from Cardigan to the English Border? Some geographically unwieldy constituencies are inevitable in Mid Wales, but surely a East/West split would work better? I am just following the instructions, create constituencies of around 69,000 electors each. Size and shape doesn't come into it!
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Post by Richard Allen on May 12, 2015 16:10:30 GMT
Dreadful, absolutely dreadful.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 17:15:03 GMT
From top to bottom we have: Ynys Môn, Caernarfon and Bangor (70,163), Snowdonia (69,770), Clwyd North West (70,703), Rhyl, Denbigh and Prestatyn (69,122), Flint and Ruthin (71,312), Wrexham Boroughs (71,256), Wrexham Town (68,616), North Wales Rural (71,151), Heart of Wales (69,903) and Brecon Beacons and the Cambrians (70,711) Get this man to the Welsh Boundary Commission!
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Post by J.G.Harston on May 12, 2015 17:56:44 GMT
That is precisely the mood music that Adam Gray believes will happen. A 650 seat House of Commons on the 600 seat rule (i.e no seat will have an electorate of more than 73,404 and no less than 66,414 with a mid point of 69,909) and just to prove that I was right that I needed the PA data in order to really go to work, he has done the basics already. A quick shufty at the numbers shows that Sheffield could remain with its existing five-anna-half seats (380,000 / 70,000 = 5.42, 5 wards @ 14,000ea), with tweeks to align with the tweeked ward boundaries coming in next year.
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Post by swindonlad on May 13, 2015 12:06:06 GMT
Taking the numbers from the Electoral Calculus spread sheet I make the electorate 46,428,805, so for 600 seats that would be a mid point of 77,381 and thus the +/-5% boundaries 73,512 - 81,250
By region, no of seats & no lost East Midlands 36 3 Eastern 56 2 London 70 3 N Ireland 16 2 North East 25 4 North West 68 7 Scotland 53 6 South East 83 1 South West 53 2 Wales 29 11 West Midlands 54 5 Yorks & H 57 4 600 50
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on May 13, 2015 14:05:35 GMT
What if the number is kept at 650?
And have you taken account of the four guaranteed seats?
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Post by carlton43 on May 13, 2015 14:47:07 GMT
What if the number is kept at 650? And have you taken account of the four guaranteed seats? Which are those David?
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on May 13, 2015 14:54:56 GMT
Two on the Isle of Wight, plus na h-Eileanan an Iar and Orkney and Shetland.
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Post by carlton43 on May 13, 2015 15:00:52 GMT
Two on the Isle of Wight, plus na h-Eileanan an Iar and Orkney and Shetland. Thank you David. I expected that answer. This is a 'given' on what authority? Can IOW be linked to any part of mainland? Why not join all islands from say Mull to Unst for at least a reasonable electorate? Why is Wales apparently so over-represented now?
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Post by Richard Allen on May 13, 2015 15:21:14 GMT
Two on the Isle of Wight, plus na h-Eileanan an Iar and Orkney and Shetland. Thank you David. I expected that answer. This is a 'given' on what authority? Can IOW be linked to any part of mainland? Why not join all islands from say Mull to Unst for at least a reasonable electorate? Why is Wales apparently so over-represented now? It is based on the legislation as it stands. Obviously it could changed but I doubt that it will be. There is a pretty clear case for treating the Western Islands and Orkney and Shetland as a special exception due to the unique Geography involved. As for the IOW, I think they got this wrong. If the people there are so adamant that they should not be linked to the mainland they should retain a single (oversized) seat, not gain an extra one.
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Post by swindonlad on May 13, 2015 15:28:12 GMT
What if the number is kept at 650? And have you taken account of the four guaranteed seats? When I get time I will play with the spread sheet & the 4 seats are within the calculations
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Post by swindonlad on May 13, 2015 17:20:12 GMT
650 seats
Average 71,429 Range 67,857 - 75,000
East Midlands 39 n/c Eastern 61 +3 London 76 +3 N Ireland 17 -1 North East 27 -2 North West 74 -1 Scotland 57 -2 South East 90 +6 South West 57 +2 Wales 32 -8 West Midlands 58 -1 Yorks & H 62 +1
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Post by Pete Whitehead on May 13, 2015 17:33:07 GMT
Yorks & H doesn't look right. There's only something like 55 seats there now
And east midlands you got too low - did you count Lincolnshire as part of Y&H ?
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