cibwr
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Post by cibwr on Sept 5, 2015 15:23:59 GMT
Fair enough - those people I know from Cornwall do.
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carlton43
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Post by carlton43 on Sept 5, 2015 15:26:02 GMT
Yes indeed. Very much to do with the sort of people one associates with.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2015 17:17:00 GMT
Which is, ultimately, the very core of on line message boards
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Harry Hayfield
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Sept 5, 2015 20:38:43 GMT
Could I ask where we stand with these boundary changes? For instance: Is it 600 seats or 585? When can people start to make suggestions to the Boundary Commissioners? Is the variance still set at 5% (or has it been widened)? And most importantly of all, does Boundary Assistant have the most up to date electorate information?
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Sept 5, 2015 20:46:25 GMT
No changes have been made to the law and no announcement has been made about any change, so it will be the same procedure as last time.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2015 20:57:41 GMT
The important thing of course is that the people of Monmouthshire/Gwent regard themselves as Welsh not English, likewise the people of Cornwall regard themselves as being distinct. People from Hay on Wye or Chepstow are far less a Welsh than someone from Truro is English (push come to shove they are the wrong side of the border). Being Cornish a proud regional identity, not a national one.
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Post by greenhert on Sept 5, 2015 21:33:08 GMT
Could I ask where we stand with these boundary changes? For instance: Is it 600 seats or 585? When can people start to make suggestions to the Boundary Commissioners? Is the variance still set at 5% (or has it been widened)? And most importantly of all, does Boundary Assistant have the most up to date electorate information?
It is still 600 and the variance is still set at 5%-primary legislation is needed to change both of these factors as they are set in current legislation. Whether there are plans to alter both of these, I do not know yet.
Boundary Assistant does have the most up to date electorate information for each UK constituency, but has not incorporated the 2015 data onto Plan Builder, which is still using 2010 electorate totals and ward boundaries.
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Khunanup
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Post by Khunanup on Sept 9, 2015 19:40:41 GMT
Could I ask where we stand with these boundary changes? For instance: Is it 600 seats or 585? When can people start to make suggestions to the Boundary Commissioners? Is the variance still set at 5% (or has it been widened)? And most importantly of all, does Boundary Assistant have the most up to date electorate information?
It is still 600 and the variance is still set at 5%-primary legislation is needed to change both of these factors as they are set in current legislation. Whether there are plans to alter both of these, I do not know yet.
Boundary Assistant does have the most up to date electorate information for each UK constituency, but has not incorporated the 2015 data onto Plan Builder, which is still using 2010 electorate totals and ward boundaries.
...and there's no point updating them until the December '15 electorate data is available which will be the figures used for the next review.
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Sharon
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Post by Sharon on Sept 28, 2015 15:15:18 GMT
It is still 600 and the variance is still set at 5%-primary legislation is needed to change both of these factors as they are set in current legislation. Whether there are plans to alter both of these, I do not know yet.
Boundary Assistant does have the most up to date electorate information for each UK constituency, but has not incorporated the 2015 data onto Plan Builder, which is still using 2010 electorate totals and ward boundaries.
...and there's no point updating them until the December '15 electorate data is available which will be the figures used for the next review. Which will of course be affected by the full implementation of IER.
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Chris
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Post by Chris on Sept 28, 2015 16:39:25 GMT
...and there's no point updating them until the December '15 electorate data is available which will be the figures used for the next review. Which will of course be affected by the full implementation of IER. It's going to be interesting to see quite how big an impact IER has - a lot will come down to how effective each local authorities electoral registration team is. So far, I've noticed that HMOs with largely Eastern European occupants appear to be the households most affected.
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Crimson King
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Post by Crimson King on Sept 28, 2015 16:45:51 GMT
Which will of course be affected by the full implementation of IER. It's going to be interesting to see quite how big an impact IER has - a lot will come down to how effective each local authorities electoral registration team is. So far, I've noticed that HMOs with largely Eastern European occupants appear to be the households most affected. I think the term 'occupants' may be being used flexibly. My experience at work is that there are small houses with more than one large family from eastern Europe registered with the surgery at that address but often the families have moved on. I would have thought the main effect of IER (or more specifically not assuming that everone who was ever registered at an address are still there unless someone tells you otherwise) will be to remove people who have, in fact, gone.
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Chris
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Post by Chris on Sept 28, 2015 18:16:51 GMT
It's going to be interesting to see quite how big an impact IER has - a lot will come down to how effective each local authorities electoral registration team is. So far, I've noticed that HMOs with largely Eastern European occupants appear to be the households most affected. I think the term 'occupants' may be being used flexibly. My experience at work is that there are small houses with more than one large family from eastern Europe registered with the surgery at that address but often the families have moved on. I would have thought the main effect of IER (or more specifically not assuming that everone who was ever registered at an address are still there unless someone tells you otherwise) will be to remove people who have, in fact, gone. I wholly agree that the removal from the roll of more transient occupants is now much easier. The link to National Insurance numbers has made this much easier and I know that my local ERO has a lot more confidence in the register as a result. The point I was highlighting was that I've noticed that several HMOs now only have a single occupant listed (not the landlord, which I know is sometimes the case!) - this almost certainly will be down to IER. We have a by-election on at the moment so annual canvass returns for the ward were being expedited and the household enquiry sheets don't appear to be rectifying the issue based on my personal experience. Overall I'm pleased with what I've seen from IER to date, and I know that the ERO is happy too. The introduction of online registration has made things a lot easier, but the 5 day clearing period with DWP does hold things up a bit.
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Sharon
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Post by Sharon on Sept 28, 2015 19:24:41 GMT
Which will of course be affected by the full implementation of IER. It's going to be interesting to see quite how big an impact IER has - a lot will come down to how effective each local authorities electoral registration team is. So far, I've noticed that HMOs with largely Eastern European occupants appear to be the households most affected.Beg to differ - Cities/Towns with universities have seen the biggest effect.
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Chris
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Post by Chris on Sept 28, 2015 20:12:44 GMT
It's going to be interesting to see quite how big an impact IER has - a lot will come down to how effective each local authorities electoral registration team is. So far, I've noticed that HMOs with largely Eastern European occupants appear to be the households most affected.Beg to differ - Cities/Towns with universities have seen the biggest effect. I have no doubt that Bevois, Bargate and Portswood wards are about to see a big drop in electorate, but over time I think students are going to be more susceptible to registration campaigns. Student Unions, the NUS and local authorities will also be doing targeted campaigns for this segment of the electorate, so over time we could see the impact mitigated to a large degree. My comments were based on the registers I have access to in my current area where we don't have any student accommodation.
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Post by greatkingrat on Sept 28, 2015 20:16:09 GMT
The problem is even if you have a big campaign one year, you have to start virtually from scratch the next year.
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Sharon
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Post by Sharon on Sept 28, 2015 20:22:48 GMT
Beg to differ - Cities/Towns with universities have seen the biggest effect. I have no doubt that Bevois, Bargate and Portswood wards are about to see a big drop in electorate, but over time I think students are going to be more susceptible to registration campaigns. Student Unions, the NUS and local authorities will also be doing targeted campaigns for this segment of the electorate, so over time we could see the impact mitigated to a large degree. My comments were based on the registers I have access to in my current area where we don't have any student accommodation. Add Swaythling and Bassett to that list Last December, in these 2 wards, the new electoral register had lost over 4,000. (Pardon me being so parochial) The University city that had the largest percentage drop in December 2014 was Cardiff (My daughter who is naturally politically aware was not part of that statistic)
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Crimson King
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Post by Crimson King on Sept 28, 2015 20:45:07 GMT
The problem is even if you have a big campaign one year, you have to start virtually from scratch the next year. whereas under the old system the people who have moved out are still on the registers, making it look better
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Sharon
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Post by Sharon on Sept 28, 2015 20:46:55 GMT
The problem is even if you have a big campaign one year, you have to start virtually from scratch the next year. whereas under the old system the people who have moved out are still on the registers, making it look better Not with regards the Halls of Residence
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Crimson King
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Post by Crimson King on Sept 28, 2015 21:05:11 GMT
whereas under the old system the people who have moved out are still on the registers, making it look better Not with regards the Halls of Residence True, though the flip side of that is that is the easiest group of people to contact and remind
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Sharon
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Post by Sharon on Sept 28, 2015 21:32:07 GMT
Not with regards the Halls of Residence True, though the flip side of that is that is the easiest group of people to contact and remind Provided they do register to vote when they're in Halls. I'm not sure what other universities do with regard access to Halls - Southampton, Solent & Cardiff universities will only accept directly addressed mail for their students in Halls .
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