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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Sept 11, 2014 18:53:23 GMT
Heywood and Middleton are both fairly self-contained towns (looking at a map will make this obvious) and do have a slight reputation for insularity IIRC. Most of the towns in northern Greater Manchester have a reputation for insularity, although Heywood in particular is generally seen as more insular than most. But yes, this isn't really a Manchester commuter area; most of the seat looks more to Rochdale and Bury as its main urban centres. What you said, Andrew. For the benefit of Ben Walker, (and Andrew, correct me if you disagree) Heywood is a strange, stringy place that's best understood as being three places in one: Heywood, Hopwood and Darnhill. Heywood proper is a bit grim but slowly gentrifying, Hopwood is the southern bit of Heywood which is a bit more upscale but still not by much but is also gentrifying, and Darnhill is frankly very rough and has a reputation that it struggles to shake off. As Andrew says, it looks towards Bury and Rochdale, neither of which are looking back at it. Last time I was up there, it took an hour on a bus to central Manchester. At the wrong time of night, you end up changing at Middleton Interchange, or getting no further than there anyway. There is no train unless you fancy a steam train to Bury on a weekend. Middleton is a bit anonymous, whereas Heywood has a (unfairly) bad reputation amongst the older generation in surrounding areas. In the parts of Manchester I frequent, it is regarded by the older generation as being out of the way at best, and to be avoided at worst.
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Post by Tony Otim on Sept 11, 2014 19:18:48 GMT
Is Heywood and Middleton a commuter constituency, or do most residents work within it? If they work in other parts of Greater Manchester you could argue that being 'local' (living in it) wouldn't matter as much given the commuter-feel; everyone being all over the place. I'd assume it wouldn't matter as I'm guessing most urban centres (most of South and West Yorkshire and Gtr-Manchester in this case) are interlinked via job opportunities and transport. Heywood and Middleton are both fairly self-contained towns (looking at a map will make this obvious) and do have a slight reputation for insularity IIRC. I do believe this was catholicleft's patch - or at least very close? Another reason to regret his not posting here any more..... Indeed, i've been thinking that for the past few days that he would have had some worthwhile thoughts to share on both the late MP and the upcoming contest. I miss his contributions here.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Sept 11, 2014 19:20:02 GMT
Worth remembering of course that about 30% of the electorate of this seat is in neither Heywood or Middleton but in areas which are really integral, if peripheral areas of Rochdale proper
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Post by andrewteale on Sept 11, 2014 19:23:02 GMT
As a former Bury MBC resident, I think Heywood's reputation is most definitely deserved My band do an annual concert at the United Reformed Church in Alkrington Garden Village, which is the Tory-voting bit of South Middleton ward. (They love us.) That's the only reason for me to visit the constituency. It's a good thing that the Electoral Commission eventually banned the offensive Lee Rigby slogan: he was from Langley.
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Post by carlton43 on Sept 11, 2014 19:27:51 GMT
Worth remembering of course that about 30% of the electorate of this seat is in neither Heywood or Middleton but in areas which are really integral, if peripheral areas of Rochdale proper I have had no exposure to this area at all, but on the basis of all that has been written it looks to be a rather good medium term prospect for UKIP? Insularity, out of it, and the smoulder of child abuse rancour hanging in the air.
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Post by manchesterman on Sept 12, 2014 23:23:49 GMT
As someone who lives on the other side of Gtr M/cr but who has visited a couple of times, I would say you are right. This would be certainly more fertile UKIP territory than, say, the recent Wythenshaw & Sale by-election. Not at this particular election though)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2014 10:10:38 GMT
Candidate selection for H&M is a much slower affair, I notice.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Sept 13, 2014 10:37:23 GMT
As someone who lives on the other side of Gtr M/cr but who has visited a couple of times, I would say you are right. This would be certainly more fertile UKIP territory than, say, the recent Wythenshaw & Sale by-election. Not at this particular election though) North Manchester is a different beast isn't it?
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Post by manchesterman on Sept 13, 2014 16:42:34 GMT
Aye
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Post by andrea on Sept 14, 2014 15:03:13 GMT
According to Jennifer Williams from Manchester Evening News Labour shortlist is Miriam O'Reilly (former BBC presenter, shortlisted for Nuneaton) Byron Taylor (TULO National Officer, longlisted for Stoke Central in 2010 but NEC didn't shortlist him. Lives in Basildon where he's a Cllr) Liz McInnes (Rossendale Cllr. Works as Clinical Scientist for NHS) Kailash Chand (GP from Tameside, deputy chair of British Medical Association, current chair of of Healthwatch Tameside. He previously served as chairman of Tameside and Glossop NHS, shortlisted for Stalybridgeand Hyde before 2010 GE) Selection tomorrow (brought forward by 1 day compared to original timetable) Unsurprisingly they didn't shortlist anybody linked with Rochdale Council at some point of their life. Some locals are not happy at all www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/ex-bbc-presenter-who-sued-over-7770209
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Post by john07 on Sept 14, 2014 18:29:38 GMT
As someone who lives on the other side of Gtr M/cr but who has visited a couple of times, I would say you are right. This would be certainly more fertile UKIP territory than, say, the recent Wythenshaw & Sale by-election. Not at this particular election though) North Manchester is a different beast isn't it? True, but the Langley Estate has a lot of similarities with the Wythenshaw Estate.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Sept 14, 2014 19:41:38 GMT
According to Jennifer Williams from Manchester Evening News Labour shortlist is Miriam O'Reilly (former BBC presenter, shortlisted for Nuneaton) Byron Taylor (TULO National Officer, longlisted for Stoke Central in 2010 but NEC didn't shortlist him. Lives in Basildon where he's a Cllr) Liz McInnes (Rossendale Cllr. Works as Clinical Scientist for NHS) Kailash Chand (GP from Tameside, deputy chair of British Medical Association, current chair of of Healthwatch Tameside. He previously served as chairman of Tameside and Glossop NHS, shortlisted for Stalybridge and Hyde before 2010 GE) Interesting - doesn't seem to be a clear moderate/Blairite/Progress candidate. Chand is being backed by the far left. O'Reilly is close to Harriet Harman. Taylor is a centrist who has taken on the Labour Unhinged crowd.
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Post by lbarnes on Sept 14, 2014 19:55:13 GMT
O'Reilly is quoted as saying that she has no links with Heywood and Middleton but 'has worked in Manchester'. McInnes says she has worked at the two hospitals that serve Heywood and Middleton - which is odd as the seat is served by at least four hospitals, even though it contains none itself - other than a private one. Chand seem to have no connection with the seat at all and I doubt if Taylor even knows where it is.
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Post by andrea on Sept 14, 2014 20:20:17 GMT
According to Jennifer Williams from Manchester Evening News Labour shortlist is Miriam O'Reilly (former BBC presenter, shortlisted for Nuneaton) Byron Taylor (TULO National Officer, longlisted for Stoke Central in 2010 but NEC didn't shortlist him. Lives in Basildon where he's a Cllr) Liz McInnes (Rossendale Cllr. Works as Clinical Scientist for NHS) Kailash Chand (GP from Tameside, deputy chair of British Medical Association, current chair of of Healthwatch Tameside. He previously served as chairman of Tameside and Glossop NHS, shortlisted for Stalybridge and Hyde before 2010 GE) Interesting - doesn't seem to be a clear moderate/Blairite/Progress candidate. Chand is being backed by the far left. O'Reilly is close to Harriet Harman. Taylor is a centrist who has taken on the Labour Unhinged crowd. FWIW Danczuk is supporting McInness now.
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 14, 2014 20:23:12 GMT
Interesting - doesn't seem to be a clear moderate/Blairite/Progress candidate. Chand is being backed by the far left. O'Reilly is close to Harriet Harman. Taylor is a centrist who has taken on the Labour Unhinged crowd. FWIW Danczuk is supporting McInness now. I don't feel that's going to help her chances . Mind you, the PLP could do with more clinical scientists.
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Post by andrewteale on Sept 14, 2014 23:53:19 GMT
O'Reilly is quoted as saying that she has no links with Heywood and Middleton but 'has worked in Manchester'. McInnes says she has worked at the two hospitals that serve Heywood and Middleton - which is odd as the seat is served by at least four hospitals, even though it contains none itself - other than a private one. I assume the two would be Fairfield (for Heywood) and NMGH (for Middleton). The Rochdale Infirmary and Royal Oldham are a bit more of a trek.
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Post by lbarnes on Sept 15, 2014 2:09:44 GMT
O'Reilly is quoted as saying that she has no links with Heywood and Middleton but 'has worked in Manchester'. McInnes says she has worked at the two hospitals that serve Heywood and Middleton - which is odd as the seat is served by at least four hospitals, even though it contains none itself - other than a private one. I assume the two would be Fairfield (for Heywood) and NMGH (for Middleton). The Rochdale Infirmary and Royal Oldham are a bit more of a trek. AFAIUI from former colleagues there, firstly it doesn't matter how far somebody is from a particular hospital, if that's the one that covers the treatment for what you are suffering then that's where you go. The Royal Oldham takes in people from all over Heywood and Middleton and even further afield that that - as does, to a lesser extent, Rochdale Infirmary.
Secondly, as many people on this thread have already pointed out, the Heywood and Middleton constituency contains far more than just those two towns. One of the wards reaches almost into Rochdale town centre and is within minutes of Rochdale Infirmary. Parts of Middleton are literally up the road from the Royal Oldham.
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Post by Devonian on Sept 15, 2014 14:14:41 GMT
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Post by Devonian on Sept 15, 2014 16:51:08 GMT
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 15, 2014 17:02:48 GMT
are the gloves ever on in by election contests these days?
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