Foggy
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Post by Foggy on Apr 13, 2017 17:22:16 GMT
It's very clear from legislation and Boundary Commission reports that, right up to 1918, Parliamentary boroughs were (with a handful of exceptions - see below) part of the relevant Parliamentary county and that persons possessing a county qualification in respect of holdings in the borough could, in principle, vote in the county seat on the strength of it; although perhaps not if that same holding also entitled the owner to vote in the borough. I can see how this might happen because the borough franchise required residence whereas the county franchise merely required ownership but generally, I'm very foggy about this.Not as half as much as I am!
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Adrian
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Post by Adrian on Apr 13, 2017 22:44:31 GMT
Another interesting consequence of the theory that Parliamentary boroughs were part of a county seat is that it was possible to draw a county seat that, on paper, inclusive of a PB, was contiguous; but in practice, with the PB excluded, was disconnected. So far, looking at the period 1885-1918 (when the system became recognizably modern), I've found three of these: Hallamshire and Shipley in Yorkshire, and Ince in Lancashire. Monmouth had such a detached part (the St Mellon's half of Magor and St Mellon's RD, split off from the rest of the constituency by Newport) until 1983. True, but that started later than 1885. And since St Mellon's and Nash parishes share a border (albeit an uncrossable one) I suppose they could pretend that the constituency was a whole block. It's weird though that a thin strip of Carleon was included in Pontypool to stop the Monmouth seat doughnutting Newport. Why did they do that? visionofbritain.org.uk/maps/sheet/os_maps_revised_1944/Monmouthshire_1931_1944
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Post by islington on Apr 14, 2017 13:33:53 GMT
Adrian, if you look at the VoB Boundary Commission map for 1917, or the OS boundary map for Monmouthshire from 1920, that boundary corresponds to a curious southward spur of Llantarnam UD as it existed in 1918. So I don't think they were trying to avoid a doughnut; they were simply following LA boundaries.
As to why the 'Llantarnam spur' existed ... Search me.
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