|
Post by Arthur Figgis on Aug 4, 2014 3:40:25 GMT
And there's a thread wondering why Plaid haven't managed to make a significant breakthrough?
|
|
maxque
Non-Aligned
Posts: 8,914
|
Post by maxque on Aug 4, 2014 3:57:59 GMT
I never said it was made up - the official street name is Welsh and the local policy for a while (I think between 2001 and 2008) was to put Welsh translations on English signposts and vice versa, with the official name first and alternative second (irrespective of language). This policy was changed in 2008 because people were getting confused, and policy is now simply to put the official name only (we are talking street names only). The official name is the one used in the Gazetteer and used by Post Office, and in this case it is in Welsh not English. Google etc should use the official name. Well, in that case report it to Google!
|
|
|
Post by Pete Whitehead on Aug 4, 2014 8:46:34 GMT
I don't see what the relevance of street names are to boundary assistant anyway. The building blocks are wards - if boundary assistant was translating the names of Welsh wards into English you would have a point. I don't think I've ever even looked at the name of a street in all the hours I've spent on Boundary Assistant
|
|
|
Post by Penddu on Aug 4, 2014 16:09:35 GMT
I don't see what the relevance of street names are to boundary assistant anyway. The building blocks are wards - if boundary assistant was translating the names of Welsh wards into English you would have a point. I don't think I've ever even looked at the name of a street in all the hours I've spent on Boundary Assistants
|
|
|
Post by Penddu on Aug 4, 2014 16:17:55 GMT
Pressed the wrong button... I was going to say that boundary assistant is not the problem as such. - it is just a symptom of the problem. My initial issue was when I found that my GPS was giving the wrong street name, and I started to look into the root cause, initially suspecting Bridgend County Council. But they are using the right name, as are the Post Office and Ordnance Survey and any application based on these sources. The source appears to be Google Maps and any application based on this.
I will complain to Google and get it changed, along with a number of surrounding streets.
|
|
|
Post by Penddu on Aug 4, 2014 16:23:15 GMT
Cf35 not 31 sorry. My complaint is that the boundary Asst / google maps is not using the 'official' name. I do not complain that they use Bridgend in place of Penybont as Bridgend is the official name. I would complain if they changed Aberystwyth to Stwiftmouth but they do not do this, My complaint is that they have arbitrarily changed an official street name in Welsh to a literal English translation but which is never used except by lazy programmers! CF31 5ES
|
|
|
Post by Pete Whitehead on Mar 4, 2015 17:46:16 GMT
I can get into the plan builder but not to any other parts of the site (census stats, elections etc). Not sure how long these have been down
|
|
|
Post by kevinlarkin on Mar 4, 2015 19:26:22 GMT
I can get into the plan builder but not to any other parts of the site (census stats, elections etc). Not sure how long these have been down It is a server issue. I have raised a ticket with the hosting company. You are probably reading Plan Builder from cache as the entire domain seems to be down.
|
|
|
Post by kevinlarkin on Mar 4, 2015 21:24:11 GMT
I can get into the plan builder but not to any other parts of the site (census stats, elections etc). Not sure how long these have been down It is a server issue. I have raised a ticket with the hosting company. You are probably reading Plan Builder from cache as the entire domain seems to be down. Should be back up and running now.
|
|
Clarko
Conservative & Unionist
Posts: 149
|
Post by Clarko on Mar 9, 2015 13:10:21 GMT
It is a server issue. I have raised a ticket with the hosting company. You are probably reading Plan Builder from cache as the entire domain seems to be down. Should be back up and running now. Just as an interesting aside - would it be possible to do a version (maybe post election) with the latest ward boundaries and electorates, assuming that there will be another periodic review in the next Parliament, or would that be an absolute mare to do? Thanks
|
|
|
Post by kevinlarkin on Mar 9, 2015 15:53:48 GMT
Just as an interesting aside - would it be possible to do a version (maybe post election) with the latest ward boundaries and electorates, assuming that there will be another periodic review in the next Parliament, or would that be an absolute mare to do? Thanks The parliamentary electorates by ward as of 1st December 2010 were published by the Boundary Commissions for use in the abortive Sixth Periodic Review. No updates to Parliamentary electorates at ward level have been published since then. If the law remains unchanged, the next review should commence using the December 2015 electorates which I would expect the Boundary Commissions to publish by ward in the first half of 2016. If that is the case I would then update Boundary Assistant with the new ward boundaries and electorates.
|
|
Clarko
Conservative & Unionist
Posts: 149
|
Post by Clarko on Mar 9, 2015 16:35:48 GMT
Just as an interesting aside - would it be possible to do a version (maybe post election) with the latest ward boundaries and electorates, assuming that there will be another periodic review in the next Parliament, or would that be an absolute mare to do? Thanks The parliamentary electorates by ward as of 1st December 2010 were published by the Boundary Commissions for use in the abortive Sixth Periodic Review. No updates to Parliamentary electorates at ward level have been published since then. If the law remains unchanged, the next review should commence using the December 2015 electorates which I would expect the Boundary Commissions to publish by ward in the first half of 2016. If that is the case I would then update Boundary Assistant with the new ward boundaries and electorates. I just had a geek-gasm
|
|
Sharon
Labour & Co-operative
Posts: 2,508
|
Post by Sharon on Mar 10, 2015 1:22:08 GMT
As an aside to this, is it possible that it might be delayed, until the confounded IER has had its issues sorted out?
By issues I mean towns & cities with student populations have seen a fairly sizeable drop in the numbers of electors - an example:
Romsey and Southampton North has 2 Soton wards, where numbers have dropped by approx 4,000, and 1 of the Soton Itchen wards has seen a drop of nearly 5,000.
|
|
|
Post by kevinlarkin on Mar 8, 2016 23:31:09 GMT
Nearly there.
|
|
Harry Hayfield
Green
Cavalier Gentleman (as in 17th century Cavalier)
Posts: 2,734
Member is Online
|
Post by Harry Hayfield on Mar 9, 2016 9:45:10 GMT
I am sure I speak for a lot of people when I say that in the world of elections, there are several people who are very much unsung heroes. In England, that title goes to Prof. Rallings and Thrasher for their local election work and notional calculations, in Scotland Prof. Denver, in Wales Prof. Richard Wyn Jones and Prof. Roger Scully and in Northern Ireland Nicholas Whyte. The thing that connects them is that they are all professionals and get paid for their work. On the voluntary side yourself for this wonderful piece of webpage design and David with his collection of information should also be cited for the effort that has gone into it all.
|
|
|
Post by listener on Mar 9, 2016 12:43:31 GMT
I would like to echo Harry Hayfield's comments. The professionals have made a great difference in collating and publishing the results. John Bochel began the process in 1974 for the Scottish local election results at the University of Dundee and Rallings & Thrasher (latterly Brian Cheal) followed with England and Wales from 1985 onwards. Now Rallings & Thrasher have compiled results from 1973 (1964 in London) through to 1984 mainly from local newspaper reports.
I have been purchasing the Rallings & Thrasher volumes every year since 1985. It is a wonderful service, to put all the contents on the internet. When I look at the bulk of the 31 volumes to date on my bookshelf, it is amazing to think that they are downloaded on to my laptop without any volume and are available to consult, wherever I travel.
I have been collecting election notices and official results directly from local authorities across the UK since 1974. In the pre-internet days, this was achieved by never-ending correspondence and hard copy documents by return. I also collected significant numbers of newspapers with results. I have a large collection of documents in my garage. When I retire, I intend to scan them (many in pre-metric paper sizes), to build up a digital collection and complement the digital notices I have collected from the internet over the past few years. Scottish electoral law required councils to publish the Notice of Poll in a local newspaper from 1974 onwards.
The downside of Rallings & Thrasher is that they do not record by-election results, defections or council strengths (in areas with elections by thirds). They only list in their summaries the councillors elected. This is where this website is a wonderful resource.
I want to compliment you first of all, Mr Administrator, for the hard work and massive time commitment in keeping this marvellous website running.
Also, I want to compliment three key contributors here and elsewhere - David Boothroyd (for his blog, which keeps us up-to-date with resignations and defections) and usually provides an immediate link to the underlying press report Andrew Teale (for his detailed previews - which provide an invaluable commentary). I file all his previews in each by-election folder on my laptop. When I go back over by-elections years later, it is a great pleasure to revisit the background story. His website is another valuable resource. Mark Senior - who seems to be the most up-to-date with the latest news - and diligently and conscientiously provides us with this information on a weekly, if not daily basis.
I do not intend to offend others by not mentioning them, because this website is a collaborative effort of many contributors.
I hope, Mr Administrator, that this website (and its predecessor, which was zapped) are being archived appropriately, because it is as important a resource as Rallings & Thrasher - and will be a fantastic resource for future psephologists in the decades to come.
Keep up the good work!
|
|
|
Post by kevinlarkin on Mar 10, 2016 20:20:33 GMT
OK, here it is ladies and gentlemen, what you've been waiting for... boundaryassistant.org/PlanBuilder2018.htmlThis has the nine English regions with Wales to follow within the next few days. There are a few rough edges to smooth out. The regional boundaries are oversimplified leading to some artefacts around the Farne islands and in the Solent. This will be fixed soon. If you have a link to the previous Plan Builder URL it will redirect to the new one. You can still access the old version with the 2010 electorates and the revised reccomendations for all four nations via the Abandoned Review Archive menu.
|
|
|
Post by Pete Whitehead on Mar 10, 2016 20:24:25 GMT
You are a star
|
|
|
Post by Arthur Figgis on Mar 10, 2016 20:33:26 GMT
That's my weekend gone! Thanks!
|
|
|
Post by greenhert on Mar 10, 2016 21:31:14 GMT
This is excellent-I cannot wait until it updates for Scotland and especially Northern Ireland as well (after it has updated for Wales).
|
|