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Post by greenhert on Aug 20, 2017 18:06:00 GMT
And from this list, the following remain:
John Bercow (as Speaker) Graham Brady Crispin Blunt Nick Gibb James Gray Damian Green Dominic Grieve Philip Hammond John Hayes Eleanor Laing Oliver Letwin Julian Lewis Tim Loughton Theresa May Owen Paterson Laurence Robertson Keith Simpson Caroline Spelman Desmond Swayne Robert Syms
Tim Collins, David Prior, and Nick St Aubyn were defeated in 2005, 2001, and 2001 respectively. Christopher Fraser was defeated in 2001 in Mid Dorset & North Poole, then got elected in 2005 for South West Norfolk, and he retired in 2010.
Shaun Woodward defected to Labour, transferred from Witney to St Helens South (& Whiston) where he retired in 2015. Most retired in either 2010 or 2015 except for Howard Flight and Archie Norman who stood down in 2005, and Andrew Tyrie who retired in 2017. Of this intake, Tim Loughton has the most marginal constituency (Worthing East & Shoreham).
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Aug 30, 2017 9:28:11 GMT
1983 is interesting - you can easily understand the landslide victory of 1945 producing a crop of future leaders, but the epic defeat of 1983 is a different matter. Where a party has a landslide defeat, quite often that election's intake are high quality - because they've gone through extreme sifting by the electorate. The Conservative intake of 1997 were notably high quality. I'm not sure sifting by the electorate is that important - by definition, the seats held in a landside tend to be very safe and first time candidates rarely have large personal votes. Probably more important is that a) long-standing incumbents are more likely to retire, because there's less they can do in opposition and this creates more opportunities; b) Spads and others with similarly good political connections are likely to prefer getting into parliament than trying to find a think-tank job when budgets are shrinking; and c) the gaps created by defeats and retirement create more opportunities for quick promotion, whereas if there are no vacancies then you may be a veteran before you get to Minister of State level and you'll get fewer second chances.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 15:45:30 GMT
The last time the Conservatives got 70%+ in a general election was Kensington South in 1970.
The highest Conservative vote in any seat since then in a general election was 69.9% in South Holland and The Deepings in June.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 16:14:08 GMT
Labour got over 80% in 10 seats:
Birmingham, Hodge Hill; Birmingham, Ladywood; Bootle; East Ham; Knowsley; Liverpool, Riverside; Liverpool, Walton; Liverpool, West Derby; Tottenham; Walthamstow.
All Labour-held since at least 1964 apart from Walthamstow.
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Post by johnloony on Sept 2, 2017 18:13:17 GMT
Labour got over 80% in 9 seats: Birmingham, Ladywood; Bootle; East Ham; Knowsley; Liverpool, Riverside; Liverpool, Walton; Liverpool, West Derby; Tottenham; Walthamstow. All Labour-held since 1964 apart from Walthamstow. 10, not 9. Also Birmingham Hodge Hill.
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Post by greenhert on Sept 2, 2017 19:52:11 GMT
The Liberal Democrats polled below 1% in the following seats: Rhondda, Dudley North, West Bromwich West, and Blaenau Gwent; these are the worst Liberal/Liberal Democrat results in history.
Meanwhile, the Green Party polled below 1% in: Birmingham Yardley, Bradford South, Bradford East, South Ribble, Dudley North, Ashfield, Ellesmere Port & Neston, Bolton North East, Middlesbrough, Knowsley, West Bromwich West, Stockton (North and South), Ilford South, East Ham, Vale of Glamorgan, Eastbourne, Redditch, and Kingston & Surbiton. Thankfully none of these hit the low point of 190 votes (0.4%) in Putney in 1983. You should notice that most of those seats are poor inner-city areas or depressed industrial towns/former coalfields.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 20:06:10 GMT
The Liberal Democrats polled below 1% in the following seats: Rhondda, Dudley North, West Bromwich West, and Blaenau Gwent; these are the worst Liberal/Liberal Democrat results in history. Meanwhile, the Green Party polled below 1% in: Birmingham Yardley, Bradford South, Bradford East, South Ribble, Dudley North, Ashfield, Ellesmere Port & Neston, Bolton North East, Middlesbrough, Knowsley, West Bromwich West, Stockton (North and South), Ilford South, East Ham, Vale of Glamorgan, Eastbourne, Redditch, and Kingston & Surbiton. Thankfully none of these hit the low point of 190 votes (0.4%) in Putney in 1983. You should notice that most of those seats are poor inner-city areas or depressed industrial towns/former coalfields. Kingston & Surbiton seems to be the odd one out due to the fact that it's: a) prosperous b) voted strongly Remain c) has a sizeable student population.
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Post by greenhert on Sept 2, 2017 20:54:01 GMT
It is indeed. The substantial campaign by the Liberal Democrats, who recaptured the seat, squeezed the Green vote heavily.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 10:01:20 GMT
In 1983 Wirral South and Wirral West were safer Tory seats than Tatton.
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Sept 7, 2017 14:58:04 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 16:00:07 GMT
Of course some of those were unelected - Salisbury for example.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Sept 7, 2017 16:01:37 GMT
Of course some of those were unelected - Salisbury for example. None of them were elected.
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Post by jigger on Sept 7, 2017 16:07:21 GMT
Of course some of those were unelected - Salisbury for example. None of them were elected. None of them were elected to serve as Ministers of the Crown. But I suppose it is possible to claim that Ministers of the Crown are elected. The word elect does, after all, come from the Latin eligere which can roughly be translated in English as to choose or to pick out. When Her Majesty appoints Ministers of the Crown there is no doubt that she chooses them. So in a strict sense it could be said that Ministers of the Crown are elected by Her Majesty. In the sense in which the word elect is used in everyday English, it is obviously true to say that Ministers of the Crown are not elected to their roles.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 16:15:13 GMT
None of them were elected. None of them were elected to serve as Ministers of the Crown. But I suppose it is possible to claim that Ministers of the Crown are elected. The word elect does, after all, come from the Latin eligere which can roughly be translated in English as to choose or to pick out. When Her Majesty appoints Ministers of the Crown there is no doubt that she chooses them. So in a strict sense it could be said that Ministers of the Crown are elected by Her Majesty. In the sense in which the word elect is used in everyday English, it is obviously true to say that Ministers of the Crown are not elected to their roles. To avoid hair splitting. What I was talking about was Lord Salisbury being PM while being an unelected member of the House of Lords, compared to Alec Douglas-Home who fought by-election when he became PM in October 1963. Also, I would prefer the Old Etonian Cameron to May.
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Post by greatkingrat on Sept 7, 2017 16:27:22 GMT
In the past, newly appointed ministers of the crown had to resign their seat and fight a by-election, so could literally be said to have been elected.
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Post by jigger on Sept 7, 2017 16:31:02 GMT
In the past, newly appointed ministers of the crown had to resign their seat and fight a by-election, so could literally be said to have been elected. Because it was "an office of profit under the Crown"? What happened if they failed to get re-elected? Presumably convention required the Monarch to revoke their Commission, but was there any legal requirement on the Monarch to dismiss a Minister if he failed to win the by-election? If there was no legal requirement for the Monarch to dismiss in those circumstances, then it still couldn't be said that Ministers of the Crown were elected.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 16:38:03 GMT
In the past, newly appointed ministers of the crown had to resign their seat and fight a by-election, so could literally be said to have been elected. It was done away with by the Representation of the People Act 1918 I believe.
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Post by jigger on Sept 7, 2017 16:40:03 GMT
In the past, newly appointed ministers of the crown had to resign their seat and fight a by-election, so could literally be said to have been elected. It was done away with by the Representation of the People Act 1918 I believe. No, the Re-election of Ministers Act 1919 ended the requirement within nine months of a general election, and the Re-Election of Ministers Act (1919) Amendment Act 1926 ended it in all other circumstances.
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Post by jigger on Sept 7, 2017 16:43:42 GMT
It was done away with by the Representation of the People Act 1918 I believe. No, the Re-election of Ministers Act 1919 ended the requirement within nine months of a general election, and the Re-Election of Ministers Act (1919) Amendment Act 1926 ended it in all other circumstances. And the Reform Act 1867 ended the requirement for Ministers who were just moved to different portfolios to seek re-election. From then on, only new Ministers appointed (or re-appointed after a break) were required to seek re-election.
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Sept 7, 2017 18:02:24 GMT
In the past, newly appointed ministers of the crown had to resign their seat and fight a by-election, so could literally be said to have been elected. Because it was "an office of profit under the Crown"? What happened if they failed to get re-elected? Presumably convention required the Monarch to revoke their Commission, but was there any legal requirement on the Monarch to dismiss a Minister if he failed to win the by-election? If there was no legal requirement for the Monarch to dismiss in those circumstances, then it still couldn't be said that Ministers of the Crown were elected. I think I remember reading about someone to whom that happened, but I can't remember who or what happened next!
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