'Turncoat'? Are you against ever rethinking a position? Once Labour it is like being born Muslim? Labour for life and disparagement to any who drop out of the one true faith. You are billed as a LD. For much of my life you were a 6-seat irrelevence, then you grew............possibly from 'turncoats'? So perhaps you are a party of Turncoats. That was a pathetic slur much as I share your views that he is unfit to be a candidate.
I was going for a leopard never changes his spots, never trust a tory, never trust a turncoat. But never mind.
Could I ask if you're proud to have him in your party?
Yes, I knew what you meant of course. I just don't like the closed mind view of the world as expressed by trite phrases 'never changes his spots' (considerable evidence that some people do), 'never trust a Tory' (cheap vacuous slur), 'turncoat' (cheap slur against open-minded people). May I ask "Are you proud to be a knee-jerk, closed-minded, tribal Liberal"?
Yes, you may ask. I am neither proud nor dismayed to have him as a member. He has baggage that makes it too difficult to permit him to be a candidate or spokesman, but I don't feel anyone is such a pariah as to be denied membership of the party, or of any organization for the rest of their lives. My personal view is that his offences were small scale and not significant enough to cause you to take on so. He did not welsh on promises he made as leader of his party like Cameron and Clegg! He did not take us into illegal wars that cost billions of pounds and many lives like Blair!! Keep a sense of proportion and attend to the important rather than the essentially trivial.
My opinion is that it's an entirely different question from the one about the legality of the war.
It's not really. I ask because, otherwise, it would be strange for you to be so indignant. As mentioned above, (and I could suggest Kofi Annan's comments on the Iraq War as well), the UK was certainly involved in wars of questionable or dubious legality.
The reasons, as I see them, could be threefold:
1) You wish to defend the record of the Blair Government wherever and whenever possible.
2) You believe the Invasion of Iraq (to which I assume carlton43 was referring) to be justified.
3) You were being pedantic.
I don't know you, so I won't guess which (I did ask the question, after all) but I don't believe it could be for any other reason.
"It is humanity, not legality, that we must look to as our judge," said Winston Churchill 75 years ago, on 12th December 1939, in advocating an Allied occupation of Norway.
Churchill was an excellent phrase maker, wonderful at rhetoric and a lot of a humbug. Like me, what he really believed was in the realpolitik of the best interests of the British Empire and bugger all else.