YL
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Post by YL on May 3, 2024 12:00:15 GMT
Brinsworth: 2 Lib Dem holds
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Post by gwynthegriff on May 3, 2024 12:01:02 GMT
Brinsworth: 2 Lib Dem holds Railway enthusiasts of a certain age will immediately think 'Three Magpies'.
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Post by YL on May 3, 2024 12:07:14 GMT
Hoober: 2 Lab holds, 1 Lab gain from Ind elected as Con
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Post by YL on May 3, 2024 12:25:37 GMT
Mattby East: 1 Con hold (!), 1 Lab gain from Con
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Post by carolus on May 3, 2024 12:26:17 GMT
Maltby East - 1 Con hold, 1 Lab gain from Con
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Post by carolus on May 3, 2024 12:39:32 GMT
Wickersley North - 3 Lab hold
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Post by YL on May 3, 2024 12:47:11 GMT
Thurcroft & Wickersley South: 2 Con holds
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Post by carolus on May 3, 2024 13:04:41 GMT
Kilnhurst & Swinton East - 2 Lab hold
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Post by carolus on May 3, 2024 13:42:41 GMT
Dalton & Thybergh - 1 Ind hold, 1 Ind gain from Lab Rawmarsh East - 2 Lab hold Rother Vale - 1 Lab hold, 1 Lab gain from LD
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Post by carolus on May 3, 2024 14:16:19 GMT
Bramley & Ravenfield - 1 Con hold, 1 Lab gain from Con Greasbrough - 1 Lab hold, 1 Ind gain from RDP (same person though) Hellaby & Maltby West - 1 Con hold, 1 Con gain from Lab
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Post by greenhert on May 3, 2024 15:43:44 GMT
Even amidst the current circumstances, the effects of long-term demographic change are evident-Rother Valley (in whose wards the majority of Conservative holds in Rotherham were) should easily flip to Labour in this year's general election but it will never again be as safe as it once was.
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Post by YL on May 3, 2024 16:50:29 GMT
Lab 33 Con 13 Lib Dem 3 Ind 10
The two ex-RDP Independents both held their seats, Bennett-Sylvester brought along a running mate in Dalton & Thrybergh. The two outgoing Labour councillors in Wales both held as Independents and one from Boston Castle did as well and that ward elected another one as well (I think that ward’s results may be somewhat Gaza related; readers may be disappointed that Phil Potholes did not win.) Then new Independents won in Keppel and Sitwell
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Post by Sibboleth on May 6, 2024 18:57:59 GMT
Even amidst the current circumstances, the effects of long-term demographic change are evident-Rother Valley (in whose wards the majority of Conservative holds in Rotherham were) should easily flip to Labour in this year's general election but it will never again be as safe as it once was. Well, to an extent yes (and Labour posters here will remember me noting parallels with the Gower constituency* that would be worth paying attention to for when Barron retired), but I would also note that there will doubtless be quite a few people in the general area who will happily vote for Labour nationally but will not vote for Rotherham Labour in local elections for the foreseeable. *Which, ironically, the Conservatives failed to regain in 2019 due to the spiteful and rather stupid cancellation of the railway electrification plans to Swansea after they were surprised by Labour regaining the seat in 2017, but that's by the by.
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Post by jamie on May 6, 2024 19:25:10 GMT
but I would also note that there will doubtless be quite a few people in the general area who will happily vote for Labour nationally but will not vote for Rotherham Labour in local elections for the foreseeable. The swing from 2016 to 2021 was better for the Conservatives in the east of the council, and before that the vote for further right parties was also stronger in these areas. As you say, there is a good chunk of usual Labour voters who don’t like the council and the Conservatives are much better organised in these parts than in the past. If someone only looks at demographic change as the explanation for Labour’s relatively poor performance here, they would struggle to explain the much better performances in North Derbyshire/North Nottinghamshire undergoing the same (if not greater) change.
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Post by andrewp on May 6, 2024 19:33:51 GMT
It is noticeable that the Tories held up significantly better in Rother Valley than in just about any other similar area on Thursday. They topped the poll, albeit mostly narrowly, in 7 wards in Rotherham, almost all of them in Rother Valley constituency . There will be some people who won’t vote for Rotherham Labour but will vote for Lab nationally. I’d still expect Lab to very comfortably gain Rother Valley but you’d suspect that the swing might be lower than average.
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Post by YL on May 7, 2024 7:07:03 GMT
Councillors by new constituency: Rotherham: Lab 14, Lib Dem 2, Ind 7 Rother Valley: Con 12, Lab 5, Lib Dem 1, Ind 3 Rawmarsh & Conisbrough (part): Lab 14, Con 1
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Post by maxque on May 13, 2024 14:19:27 GMT
Lab 33 Con 13 Lib Dem 3 Ind 10 The two ex-RDP Independents both held their seats, Bennett-Sylvester brought along a running mate in Dalton & Thrybergh. The two outgoing Labour councillors in Wales both held as Independents and one from Boston Castle did as well and that ward elected another one as well (I think that ward’s results may be somewhat Gaza related; readers may be disappointed that Phil Potholes did not win.) Then new Independents won in Keppel and Sitwell On 2021, that's Lab +1, Con -7, Ind +6. Liberal Democrat gain over Conservative in: Anston and Woodsetts (3 Con -> 1 Con, 1 LD, 1 Ind (through by-election and defection) -> 2 Con, 1 LD; confirms by-election; Con 1325, LD 1227, Con 1217/1142, LD 1023, Lab 745, LD 743, Lab 712/681) Labour gain over Conservative in: Aston and Todwick: (2 Con -> 1 Con, 1 Lab; Con 1234, Lab 1090, Con 990, Lab 809) Bramley and Ravenfield (2 Con -> 1 Con, 1 Lab; Con 910, Lab 875, Con 844, Lab 703 Dinnington (3 Con -> 2 Con, 1 Lab; Con 1397/1252, Lab 1196/1131, Con 1120, Lab 1009 Hoober (2 Lab, 1 Con -> 3 Lab; by 630 votes) Maltby E (2 Con -> 1 Lab, 1 Con; Lab 796, Con 751, Lab 698, Con 664) Rawmarsh W (1 Lab, 1 Con -> 2 Lab; by 419 votes) Independent gain over Labour in: 2x Boston Castle (3 Lab -> 2 Lab, 1 Ind (through defection) -> 2 Ind, 1 Lab; Ind 1389/1166, Lab 1126/986/729) Dalton and Thrybergh (1 Ind, 1 Lab -> 2 Ind; by 101 votes) Sitwell (2 Con, 1 Lab -> 2 Con, 1 Ind; Con 1357/1186, Ind 1145, Con 1023, Lab 1019/971/765) 2x Wales (2 Lab -> 2 Ind (through defection; by 202/637 votes over Con; by 440/787 votes over Lab) Conservative gain over Labour in: Hellaby and Maltby W (1 Con, 1 Lab -> 2 Con; by 48 votes) Independent gain over Rotherham Democratic Party in: Keppel (2 Lab, 1 RDP -> 3 Lab (through by-election) -> 2 Lab, 1 RDP; Lab 1179/1092, Ind 1068, Lab 892, Ind 634) Labour gain over Liberal Democrats in: Rother Vale (1 LD, 1 Lab -> 2 Lab; by 223 votes) Close holds: Aughton and Swallownest (Con 143 votes away from a Lab seat) Greasbrough (Lab 108 votes away from an Ind seat)
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Post by mattbewilson on May 13, 2024 15:30:28 GMT
Surprised there weren't more Tory losses and more labour gains. Don't know what this means for the general in Rother valley. Not much I expect
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Post by andrewp on May 13, 2024 15:42:14 GMT
Surprised there weren't more Tory losses and more labour gains. Don't know what this means for the general in Rother valley. Not much I expect I think you can make a pretty good argument that the Rother Valley area were the Tories best results in the country. To hold onto 13 councillors in 2024, which is more than they had in Rotherham at any point between 1973 and 2021 is a very good result for them. Obviously the area has moved a lot towards the Tories, and this is accentuated by the issues with the council. I think it means that Labour will still comfortably win Rother Valley at the GE, as some people won’t vote for that council but will vote for a Lab government, but it has clearly moved to the right in comparison to the country as a whole- 2019 was the first time it ever voted to the right of the nation, and 2024 may well be the second time - I suspect that the swing here will be less than the national average, and I’d be surprised it if went back to being anything like a safe Labour seat in the foreseeable future.
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Post by YL on May 13, 2024 16:50:38 GMT
Independent gain over Rotherham Democratic Party in: Keppel (2 Lab, 1 RDP -> 3 Lab (through by-election) -> 2 Lab, 1 RDP; Lab 1179/1092, Ind 1068, Lab 892, Ind 634) Of course you mean 2 Lab, 1 Ind for the new situation here. This was a Labour gain from Con compared with 2021: Labour had taken the Tory seat in a by-election. Curiously the Tories under-nominated in this ward; possibly there was a deal with the Independent candidate?
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