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Post by batman on Sept 4, 2023 15:18:57 GMT
We haven't had an MP called Claude in Britain since, I think, Claude Lancaster (South Fylde, C).
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Post by islington on Sept 4, 2023 15:37:16 GMT
We haven't had an MP called Claude in Britain since, I think, Claude Lancaster (South Fylde, C). We've had our share of Cecils though. |
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Post by Merseymike on Sept 4, 2023 16:47:10 GMT
We haven't had an MP called Claude in Britain since, I think, Claude Lancaster (South Fylde, C). Claude Moraes was an MEP....Labour. |
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Post by weld on Sept 4, 2023 17:43:20 GMT
Double jeopardy? Conservatives could lose Walsall N too.
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Post by YL on Sept 7, 2023 8:12:39 GMT
There are reports that Pincher is resigning today. If this is confirmed, can the thread title be changed?
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Sept 7, 2023 8:21:02 GMT
There are reports that Pincher is resigning today. If this is confirmed, can the thread title be changed? If he does, I'll report the post to all for a change. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Sept 7, 2023 8:23:11 GMT
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Post by batman on Sept 7, 2023 8:37:02 GMT
We haven't had an MP called Claude in Britain since, I think, Claude Lancaster (South Fylde, C). Claude Moraes was an MEP....Labour. well remembered Mike. I have canvassed with Claude. Once regarded as on the fairly hard right of the party, he's seen as mainstream neither right nor left in party terms now. He comes from an Indian Catholic background like my wife, and the Vazes, and speaks with a soft Scottish accent. He did stand in Harrow West for Westminster & got soundly beaten, only to see Gareth Thomas gain it & hold it up to the present. |
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Sept 7, 2023 8:37:44 GMT
Very wise given the almost inevitable outcome of the petition.
For those thinking he should sit tight and bank the money. A recall would be done and dusted in probably 12-13 weeks from today, of which he would have been suspended without pay for eight of them.
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Post by markgoodair on Sept 7, 2023 8:42:23 GMT
Pincher has resigned
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Sept 7, 2023 8:44:24 GMT
Very wise given the almost inevitable outcome of the petition. For those thinking he should sit tight and bank the money. A recall would be done and dusted in probably 12-13 weeks from today, of which he would have been suspended without pay for eight of them. The way Recall has ingrained itself into political thinking/strategy is undeniable. Interesting. |
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Post by weld on Sept 7, 2023 8:45:58 GMT
Previous by-election result  Labour wins a Tamworth by-election by a few hundred votes if they repeat the 1996 South East Staffordshire swing. Sticking by this. I think Labour repeat the 1996 swing here. |
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Post by borisminor on Sept 7, 2023 8:51:18 GMT
Very wise given the almost inevitable outcome of the petition. For those thinking he should sit tight and bank the money. A recall would be done and dusted in probably 12-13 weeks from today, of which he would have been suspended without pay for eight of them. The way Recall has ingrained itself into political thinking/strategy is undeniable. Interesting. Although it would be likely that he would have still have resigned as a result of the suspension if the recall process didn't exist. I think the real change was the Independent Expert Panel and MPs not marking their own homework. With this we now have more suspensions than before and more pressure to resign and protect their reputation. |
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Post by carlton43 on Sept 7, 2023 9:04:47 GMT
Very wise given the almost inevitable outcome of the petition. For those thinking he should sit tight and bank the money. A recall would be done and dusted in probably 12-13 weeks from today, of which he would have been suspended without pay for eight of them. The way Recall has ingrained itself into political thinking/strategy is undeniable. Interesting. It is an anti-democratic idea that panders to all the worst emotions unleashed in and by the worst people in politics for the worst of reasons in the glorification of hounding and triumphal witchfinding : You being an enthusiastic Witchfinder General. We have a perfectly good system whereby MPs are elected for better for worse and then brought to account at the next GE by rejection or reelection. There are systems to expel MPs who have very seriously transgressed the rules of the HOC or committed criminal acts. That is quite sufficient. The Recall legislation is an abomination and should be repealed and quashed forever as it was generated from a dark place of the soul. |
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Post by andrewp on Sept 7, 2023 9:09:42 GMT
I think the recall petition process is ridiculous. If an offence is deemed to currently meet that threshold then just cut to the chase.
In nearly all constituencies you should be able to find 10% of people anti the party of the MP to sign it.
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Post by weld on Sept 7, 2023 9:12:18 GMT
Zac Goldsmith with the Recall of MPs Act has had a bigger impact on UK politics than all 57 Lib Dems elected in 2010.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Sept 7, 2023 9:12:52 GMT
I think the recall petition process is ridiculous. If an offence is deemed to currently meet that threshold then just cut to the chase. In nearly all constituencies you should be able to find 10% of people anti the party of the MP to sign it. Of course it's ridiculous. It was an obviously stupid idea which was a mutant child of the anti-politics engaged in by the Conservatives in opposition in 1997-2010 and the belief that US democratic provisions can be applied in the UK. |
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 7, 2023 9:14:27 GMT
Its true that in many instances they would resign anyway, but were that always the case there would have been a Delyn by-election some time ago.
I wasn't massively enthusiastic about them originally, but recall petitions have slotted in quite well and the current rules protect against any possible abuses.
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Post by southernliberal on Sept 7, 2023 9:20:00 GMT
The way Recall has ingrained itself into political thinking/strategy is undeniable. Interesting. It is an anti-democratic idea that panders to all the worst emotions unleashed in and by the worst people in politics for the worst of reasons in the glorification of hounding and triumphal witchfinding : You being an enthusiastic Witchfinder General. We have a perfectly good system whereby MPs are elected for better for worse and then brought to account at the next GE by rejection or reelection. There are systems to expel MPs who have very seriously transgressed the rules of the HOC or committed criminal acts. That is quite sufficient. The Recall legislation is an abomination and should be repealed and quashed forever as it was generated from a dark place of the soul. Strongly disagree with this - I think it's a good thing that MPs can be held to account without having to wait what could be up to five years till a GE. In any other setting, even if you were appointed to a role to serve for a fixed period of time (as effectively you are done as an MP) there would be mechanisms in place that meant if you did something heinous you could be held to account prior to the natural conclusion of your term. I don't see how it can be antidemocratic when there is already not one but two ways for MPs to defend themselves - either by ensuring that less than 10% of their electorate sign the petition (as has happened in one of the four recalls we have had - North Antrim, where only 9.4% of the electorate signed the petition) or if they still have the support of their party, by successfully defending their seat in the by-election - as very nearly happened in one of the three successful recall by-elections we have had, Brecon and Radnorshire, where the Lib Dem candidate only won by around four percentage points. I fail to see how what is essentially more democracy can be anti-democratic. If folks like their MP, they can keep them, but recall gives them up to two choices to express their opinion, both via signing/not signing the petition and expressing their choice in a by-election (should it take place). |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Sept 7, 2023 9:32:40 GMT
I think the recall petition process is ridiculous. If an offence is deemed to currently meet that threshold then just cut to the chase. In nearly all constituencies you should be able to find 10% of people anti the party of the MP to sign it. Of course it's ridiculous. It was an obviously stupid idea which was a mutant child of the anti-politics engaged in by the Conservatives in opposition in 1997-2010 and the belief that US democratic provisions can be applied in the UK. I use this phrase a lot but I truly think we've found a workable British compromise. Primaries were introduced and didn't really catch on. Recall has been introduced and has. We could have a debate about leadership debates, which still don't really work, because our political system doesn't match what they're designed for. |
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