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Post by MeirionGwril on Aug 2, 2020 10:25:56 GMT
I think it's Alan B'stard
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Post by No Offence Alan on Aug 2, 2020 10:49:47 GMT
Wondering how removing the whip from the MP in question might be handled, for example, if they can't be named in public? (for the record, I don't presently know who it is - though I have of course heard rumours) Of course, identifying the MP increases the risk of identifying the alleged* victim. *"alleged" being used in the legal sense to cover vote-2012's back
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Aug 2, 2020 11:03:26 GMT
The set of male Conservative MPs, who are ex-ministers but not current ministers, and aged in their 50s, is still reasonably large. I make it 26 who fit into that category. It also depends on whether they are using the word "minister" accurately. There's no telling what the person making the statement's take on jobs such as PPSes and assistant whips (junior Lords Commissioner of the Treasury) is, and whether that corresponds with what a well-informed person's would be. So the category could be even more impossibly larger.
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Post by yellowperil on Aug 2, 2020 11:04:56 GMT
Wondering how removing the whip from the MP in question might be handled, for example, if they can't be named in public? (for the record, I don't presently know who it is - though I have of course heard rumours) Of course, identifying the MP increases the risk of identifying the alleged* victim. *"alleged" being used in the legal sense to cover vote-2012's back Perhaps we should say "alleged MP" as well?
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Post by greenhert on Aug 2, 2020 11:12:35 GMT
I think it's Alan B'stard Alan B'Stard was a fictional character and the actor who played him has been dead for six years.
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Post by greatkingrat on Aug 2, 2020 11:27:05 GMT
I think it's Alan B'stard Alan B'Stard was a fictional character and the actor who played him has been dead for six years. Next you'll be telling me Kevin Spacey wasn't President of the United States.
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Post by pragmaticidealist on Aug 2, 2020 11:33:22 GMT
Alan B'Stard was a fictional character and the actor who played him has been dead for six years. Next you'll be telling me Kevin Spacey wasn't President of the United States. Had he been elected, then my money would be on Malcolm Peter Brian Telescope Adrian Umbrella Stand Jasper Wednesday (pops mouth twice) Stoatgobbler John Raw Vegetable (whinnying) Arthur Norman Michael (blows squeaker) Featherstone Smith (whistle) Northcott Edwards Harris (fires pistol, then 'whoop') Mason (chuff-chuff-chuff-chuff) Frampton Jones Fruitbat Gilbert (sings) 'We'll keep a welcome in the' (three shots) Williams If I Could Walk That Way Jenkin (squeaker) Tiger-drawers Pratt Thompson (sings) 'Raindrops Keep Falling On My Head' Darcy Carter (horn) Pussycat (sings) 'Don't Sleep In The Subway' Barton Mainwaring (hoot, 'whoop') Smith.
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Post by johnloony on Aug 2, 2020 11:34:18 GMT
The set of male Conservative MPs, who are ex-ministers but not current ministers, and aged in their 50s, is still reasonably large. I make it 26 who fit into that category. Someone on Twitter this morning was saying there were only 2 such people (!). A few names were being mentioned, but all on the basis of wishful thinking rather than serious suggestions.
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Post by johng on Aug 2, 2020 11:38:04 GMT
The set of male Conservative MPs, who are ex-ministers but not current ministers, and aged in their 50s, is still reasonably large. I make it 26 who fit into that category. Someone on Twitter this morning was saying there were only 2 such people (!). A few names were being mentioned, but all on the basis of wishful thinking rather than serious suggestions. There's a hell of a lot of potentially libelous comment on Twitter at the moment. Multiple names are being banded about. You're right though, I'm not sure if they are more wishful thinking rather than reality.
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Post by pragmaticidealist on Aug 2, 2020 11:42:16 GMT
Someone on Twitter this morning was saying there were only 2 such people (!). A few names were being mentioned, but all on the basis of wishful thinking rather than serious suggestions. There's a hell of a lot of potentially libelous comment on Twitter at the moment. Multiple names are being banded about. You're right though, I'm not sure if they are more wishful thinking rather than reality. Including a lot of "Hmm, why is [CENSORED] trending? *innocent face*?" type comments.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Aug 2, 2020 11:44:21 GMT
Perhaps they should ask Sally Bercow about that sort of tweet.
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Post by neilm on Aug 2, 2020 12:17:45 GMT
I think it's Alan B'stard Alan B'Stard was a fictional character Neither was Francis Urquhart.
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Post by neilm on Aug 2, 2020 12:26:22 GMT
Can not the 26 possibles be reduced by factoring in the locations mentioned? Reports say he was arrested at home... How many of the 26 have homes in the area mentioned? I suppose we could have the most tasteless (and legally problematic) prediction competition in the forum's history, but it's highly doubtful that the mods of this place would appreciate it. At one point, there was speculation about the health of the MP for Manchester, Gorton. Every man and his dog knew that Gerald Kaufman was pretty close to death but comment was deemed tasteless. I've no idea why.
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Post by yellowperil on Aug 2, 2020 14:00:39 GMT
I think it's Alan B'stard Alan B'Stard was a fictional character and the actor who played him has been dead for six years. but his spirit, clearly, lives on.
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Post by carlton43 on Aug 2, 2020 16:49:57 GMT
Of course, identifying the MP increases the risk of identifying the alleged* victim. *"alleged" being used in the legal sense to cover vote-2012's back Perhaps we should say "alleged MP" as well? No. Whoever it may be he is not an alleged MP, he is an actual MP who is alleged to have done something. And there are no alleged victims either. There are accusers who may or may not be telling the truth or indeed the whole truth. The accusers are in no way alleged anythings. And they may not be victims if they are not telling the whole truth. Words have meanings. Attend to the real meanings and the import of those meanings.
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Post by yellowperil on Aug 2, 2020 16:56:05 GMT
Perhaps we should say "alleged MP" as well? No. Whoever it may be he is not an alleged MP, he is an actual MP who is alleged to have done something. And there are no alleged victims either. There are accusers who may or may not be telling the truth or indeed the whole truth. The accusers are in no way alleged anythings. And they may not be victims if they are not telling the whole truth. Words have meanings. Attend to the real meanings and the import of those meanings. We don't know he's an actual MP until someone is prepared to name him. We only know that various people have said he is a member of parliament and a former minister, so if it could be argued that until it is in the public domain it could all be fantasy, so I would argue alleged MP is actually correct.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Aug 2, 2020 17:01:02 GMT
No. Whoever it may be he is not an alleged MP, he is an actual MP who is alleged to have done something. And there are no alleged victims either. There are accusers who may or may not be telling the truth or indeed the whole truth. The accusers are in no way alleged anythings. And they may not be victims if they are not telling the whole truth. Words have meanings. Attend to the real meanings and the import of those meanings. We don't know he's an actual MP until someone is prepared to name him. We only know that various people have said he is a member of parliament and a former minister, so if it could be argued that until it is in the public domain it could all be fantasy, so I would argue alleged MP is actually correct. No, we do know he's an actual MP. Why else would the whips office be involved? You have read the story?
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Post by carlton43 on Aug 2, 2020 17:08:22 GMT
No. Whoever it may be he is not an alleged MP, he is an actual MP who is alleged to have done something. And there are no alleged victims either. There are accusers who may or may not be telling the truth or indeed the whole truth. The accusers are in no way alleged anythings. And they may not be victims if they are not telling the whole truth. Words have meanings. Attend to the real meanings and the import of those meanings. We don't know he's an actual MP until someone is prepared to name him. We only know that various people have said he is a member of parliament and a former minister, so if it could be argued that until it is in the public domain it could all be fantasy, so I would argue alleged MP is actually correct. And you would still be wrong and displaying an ignorance of use of English. The 'alleged' comes from an underlying 'allegation' of some sort of wrongdoing. There is no one alleging the wrongdoer is an MP because that is a mere quality the person may or may not possess. So the unnamed person is an alleged abuser, not an alleged MP. You betray in your post a series of levels of ignorance amazing in an retired academic, but in no way surprising to me.
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Post by yellowperil on Aug 2, 2020 19:53:17 GMT
Oh dear. My original post about the "alleged MP" was intended as a light hearted swipe at all the nonsense going back and forth on this subject, when we are not allowed to know who we are talking about and if we did know we wouldn't be allowed to tell or even to hint, so I couldn't get very excited about the whole non-event at this stage. Forfarshire Conservative took the comment very seriously, more seriously than it justified , and made the perfectly valid point that of course we knew it was an MP because of the reaction of the Whip's office, and I totally agree that point, for what it's worth. And it has produced two preposterous posts from carlton43 which didn't seem to be about anything except to attack me personally for ("allegedly") not knowing the meaning of words. They were of course far from being the most preposterous posts of the day from that particular source, who maybe is having a bad day (move not going to plan, old chap?), but I am perplexed by his attempt to restrict the meanings of the word allegation to a very narrow legalistic definition indeed which is not at all borne out by any dictionary I can consult
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Post by The Bishop on Aug 3, 2020 9:13:02 GMT
Next you'll be telling me Kevin Spacey wasn't President of the United States. Had he been elected, then my money would be on Malcolm Peter Brian Telescope Adrian Umbrella Stand Jasper Wednesday (pops mouth twice) Stoatgobbler John Raw Vegetable (whinnying) Arthur Norman Michael (blows squeaker) Featherstone Smith (whistle) Northcott Edwards Harris (fires pistol, then 'whoop') Mason (chuff-chuff-chuff-chuff) Frampton Jones Fruitbat Gilbert (sings) 'We'll keep a welcome in the' (three shots) Williams If I Could Walk That Way Jenkin (squeaker) Tiger-drawers Pratt Thompson (sings) 'Raindrops Keep Falling On My Head' Darcy Carter (horn) Pussycat (sings) 'Don't Sleep In The Subway' Barton Mainwaring (hoot, 'whoop') Smith. Though personally I preferred the (slightly) more snappily named Tarquin Fin-tim-lin-bin-whin-bim-lim-bus-stop-F'Tang-F'Tang-Ole-Biscuitbarrel. (who was, of course, subsequently a real candidate in a real election)
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