Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Jun 1, 2017 21:58:33 GMT
Arfon, though, is pretty much only ever written in the standard Welsh spelling. Not that this is something worth wasting any time over.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 1, 2017 23:24:25 GMT
Do Welsh speakers actually use the Welsh names for places in England? I often wonder this when I see a train pass me at the station headed to Manceinion or Cryw.
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Post by Sibboleth on Jun 1, 2017 23:29:53 GMT
Do Welsh speakers actually use the Welsh names for places in England? I often wonder this when I see a train pass me at the station headed to Manceinion or Cryw. Depends on the sort of Welsh speaker, doesn't it Remember that there are a lot of people - actually this is a massive class indicator - whose spoken language preference is Welsh but who write better (or at least with greater confidence) in English than Welsh.
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Jun 2, 2017 0:25:15 GMT
Do Welsh speakers actually use the Welsh names for places in England? I often wonder this when I see a train pass me at the station headed to Manceinion or Cryw. I suspect that they do when speaking in Welsh (though I cannot confirm this), but I've certainly heard and read the Welsh names for a bunch of English towns and cities whilst waiting for the train in the past ("Caer" for Chester is something I've heard a lot, along with Manceinion/Manchester, Cryw/Crewe, and of course, Llundain/London).
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 2, 2017 7:26:24 GMT
Arfon, though, is pretty much only ever written in the standard Welsh spelling. Not that this is something worth wasting any time over. But you are!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 7:27:39 GMT
Do Welsh speakers actually use the Welsh names for places in England? I often wonder this when I see a train pass me at the station headed to Manceinion or Cryw. Depends on the sort of Welsh speaker, doesn't it Remember that there are a lot of people - actually this is a massive class indicator - whose spoken language preference is Welsh but who write better (or at least with greater confidence) in English than Welsh. So working class Welsh speakers prefer to write in English? Why is that?
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Post by johng on Jun 3, 2017 11:55:17 GMT
Isn't it mainly to do with education? In the 'olden days' many native Welsh speakers would have gone to schools where the focus was on writing in English, not Welsh. Secondly, Welsh was the spoken language of the home - All official documentation, adverts etc. were in English.
Back to the poll, very decent for Labour. I always though they would hold the North Wales seats (apart from Wrexham which was a bit of a toss-up) and most in South Wales and it appears that this will still be the case. I'd also still say Plaid will get four next Thursday. IWJ's candidacy has secured it for them there even if the party does poorly overall.
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Jun 7, 2017 15:03:13 GMT
Sneaky extra Welsh poll:
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Post by thetop on Jun 7, 2017 15:20:39 GMT
Lab 46% (nc) Con 34% (-1) PC 9% (+1) LD 5% (nc) UKIP 5% (nc) Oth 1% (nc) With changes from their earlier poll.
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Post by Old Fashioned Leftie on Jun 7, 2017 15:22:52 GMT
This would be about a 1% swing Con to Lab in Wales
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Post by Tony Otim on Jun 7, 2017 15:58:32 GMT
Would give Labour Gower and Vale of Clwyd on UNS.
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Sept 9, 2017 9:18:26 GMT
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 9, 2017 9:26:01 GMT
So it looks like Wales will have a post-GE poll before Scotland?
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Post by tamar on Sept 9, 2017 20:41:35 GMT
LAB over 50%?
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Sept 11, 2017 7:05:33 GMT
Got it in one: blogs.cardiff.ac.uk/electionsinwales/2017/09/11/labour-support-reaches-50-in-wales-the-new-welsh-political-barometer-poll/Westminster with changes since June Labour: 50% (+1.1) Conservatives: 32% (-1.6) Plaid Cymru: 8% (-2.4) Liberal Democrats: 4% (-0.5) UKIP: 3% (+1) Others: 2% (+1.5) Assembly constituency with changes since the last poll in June Labour: 43% (+1) Conservatives: 25% (-1) Plaid Cymru: 19% (no change) Liberal Democrats: 5% (-1) UKIP: 4% (-1) Others: 3% (+1) Assembly regional, again changes since June Labour: 40% (+2) Conservatives: 23% (-4) Plaid Cymru: 19% (+2) Liberal Democrats: 5% (-1) UKIP: 5% (-1) Others: 6% (+1)
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Sept 11, 2017 8:48:03 GMT
While UNS cannot be assumed, being projected 31 seats (a majority) after 18 years in power is a remarkable achievement. How did it all go so wrong in Scotland I do wonder. There was a credible alternative! There was then of course the utter clusterfuck of Scottish Labour who collapsed and have been overtaken by Ruth Davidson and Co, thus splintering today's opposition to the SNP.
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Post by Ghyl Tarvoke on Sept 11, 2017 14:04:51 GMT
The Westminster changes are within the MoE so indicate no real change since the GE yet if that was the actual result it would see Labour gaining three seats on UNS.
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Post by jigger on Sept 11, 2017 14:14:27 GMT
That's a very poor poll for the Party of Wales and for the Liberal Democrats. That would be the worst Party of Wales performance at a UK General election since 1987 and I think that would also be the worse Liberal Democrat/Liberal performance at a General election in Wales ever (or at least since 1832). And although the Conservative vote share is down since the general election, were that poll to be the actual result it would be the 3rd best Conservative result at a General election in Wales since 1935 (only 1979 and 2017 have been better).
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Sept 11, 2017 19:57:31 GMT
The lack of constituencies projected to changes hands is a little disappointing (but, the next election's still ~4 years away), if only because Aberconwy in particular has been lumbered with an incredibly odious Tory AM in dire need of removal (to say nothing of its MP's past indiscretions)... My area sure does know how to pick 'em.
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Post by jamie on Sept 11, 2017 20:01:37 GMT
I have a feeling on those numbers we may see a Labour gain in Ceredigion, really depends how much Labour tactical vote is left to unwind.
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