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Post by jamesdoyle on Mar 27, 2024 13:29:55 GMT
No Aaron Rodgers, no Jessie Ventura, instead Robert F. Kennedy Jr. on Tuesday named Nicole Shanahan, a Silicon Valley lawyer, investor and political neophyte, as his running mate in his independent presidential bid. Swear to god, when I read that I read it as Nicollette Sheridan. As she's from Worthing, I was all ready to board the RFK train for a brief moment.
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Post by timmullen on Mar 27, 2024 21:42:40 GMT
Slightly off topic but Joe Lieberman has died (posted in the RIP thread); does the No Labels movement die with him?
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Post by uthacalthing on Mar 28, 2024 9:34:10 GMT
It is the longest of long shots but with the Kennedy name and two dreadful contenders old enough to both have a stroke two weeks out from the election, I would bet a tenner against him but not my life. Before parting with your tenner it may be worth noting that so far Kennedy has only secured ballot access in Utah, and Jon Ralston is reporting that, due to “erroneous” information given by the Secretary of State’s office his submitted signatures in Nevada may be invalid as they do not contain his running mate’s name. I have offered to be a tenner AGAINST him
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Post by timmullen on Mar 28, 2024 9:36:21 GMT
Before parting with your tenner it may be worth noting that so far Kennedy has only secured ballot access in Utah, and Jon Ralston is reporting that, due to “erroneous” information given by the Secretary of State’s office his submitted signatures in Nevada may be invalid as they do not contain his running mate’s name. I have offered to be a tenner AGAINST him I’m a lapsed Methodist, I was brought up believing gambling was a sin, don’t expect me to start understanding it now - old dogs, new tricks and all that!
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Post by The Bishop on Mar 28, 2024 13:58:25 GMT
Slightly off topic but Joe Lieberman has died (posted in the RIP thread); does the No Labels movement die with him? Hopefully it is improved as a result.
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Post by stb12 on Mar 28, 2024 18:45:07 GMT
Serious question as it’s largely before my time or when I was that aware of politics, is there a particular reason for Lieberman being held in such particular contempt by many?
I know he was a pretty conservative Democrat but that hardly used to be uncommon
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Post by timmullen on Mar 28, 2024 19:39:00 GMT
Serious question as it’s largely before my time or when I was that aware of politics, is there a particular reason for Lieberman being held in such particular contempt by many? I know he was a pretty conservative Democrat but that hardly used to be uncommon Basically because he was one of the few Democrats to support the invasion of Iraq and endorsed John McCain over Obama in 2008. He was very much a hawk on defense and national security issues and Israel and the wider Middle East, but a pretty conventional Democrat on everything else; Harry Reid backed him in his last campaign as an Independent saying, to paraphrase, Joe votes with me 97% of the time, I know when I’m not going to have his vote, and if I forget he always does me the courtesy of reminding me; I would rather have someone voting with me 97% of the time than a Republican voting with me 3% of the time. Probably in the days before social media increased the current polarisation of politics he’d have been much less controversial.
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Post by stb12 on Mar 28, 2024 19:47:12 GMT
Serious question as it’s largely before my time or when I was that aware of politics, is there a particular reason for Lieberman being held in such particular contempt by many? I know he was a pretty conservative Democrat but that hardly used to be uncommon Basically because he was one of the few Democrats to support the invasion of Iraq and endorsed John McCain over Obama in 2008. He was very much a hawk on defense and national security issues and Israel and the wider Middle East, but a pretty conventional Democrat on everything else; Harry Reid backed him in his last campaign as an Independent saying, to paraphrase, Joe votes with me 97% of the time, I know when I’m not going to have his vote, and if I forget he always does me the courtesy of reminding me; I would rather have someone voting with me 97% of the time than a Republican voting with me 3% of the time. Probably in the days before social media increased the current polarisation of politics he’d have been much less controversial. The Iraq resolution was supported by 81 House Democrats and 29 Dem senators, so surely wasn’t that out there a position to have at the time? Fair point on the 2008 election but from what I gather it was specifically because of John McCain being the GOP candidate
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Post by timmullen on Mar 28, 2024 20:16:16 GMT
Basically because he was one of the few Democrats to support the invasion of Iraq and endorsed John McCain over Obama in 2008. He was very much a hawk on defense and national security issues and Israel and the wider Middle East, but a pretty conventional Democrat on everything else; Harry Reid backed him in his last campaign as an Independent saying, to paraphrase, Joe votes with me 97% of the time, I know when I’m not going to have his vote, and if I forget he always does me the courtesy of reminding me; I would rather have someone voting with me 97% of the time than a Republican voting with me 3% of the time. Probably in the days before social media increased the current polarisation of politics he’d have been much less controversial. The Iraq resolution was supported by 81 House Democrats and 29 Dem senators, so surely wasn’t that out there a position to have at the time? Fair point on the 2008 election but from what I gather it was specifically because of John McCain being the GOP candidate Yes to all of the above, but a lot of those Dems either retired or were primaried (and it’s even given as a reason for Jill Stein’s high Green vote in 2016 because Clinton was one of those 29 Senators). It probably wasn’t an “out there” position in the Washington bubble, or even mainstream America, but amongst the liberal left, labor unions and a lot of progressive pressure groups it was a cardinal sin to be punished. Lieberman I think admitted it wasn’t just personal admiration for McCain, he didn’t think Obama was ready for the job, and would have probably backed someone like John Kerry had he chosen to run again.
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Post by uthacalthing on Mar 28, 2024 22:12:01 GMT
Was he the only significant Jew to rat on the Democrats? Might he be being held to a higher standard than non-Jews who ratted? And am I a broken record?
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Post by timmullen on Mar 28, 2024 22:42:16 GMT
Was he the only significant Jew to rat on the Democrats? Might he be being held to a higher standard than non-Jews who ratted? And am I a broken record? No, Barney Frank of Massachusetts was one of the House members to vote for the Resolution. He also had a further “claim to fame” as the first openly gay member of Congress.
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Post by uthacalthing on Mar 28, 2024 22:43:12 GMT
Top Trivia Tim
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Post by finsobruce on Mar 28, 2024 22:57:34 GMT
Was he the only significant Jew to rat on the Democrats? Might he be being held to a higher standard than non-Jews who ratted? And am I a broken record? No!
Broken records make no noise.
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Post by maxque on Mar 28, 2024 23:11:35 GMT
Serious question as it’s largely before my time or when I was that aware of politics, is there a particular reason for Lieberman being held in such particular contempt by many? I know he was a pretty conservative Democrat but that hardly used to be uncommon A missing element is his total opposition to any public healthcare. He is the reason that Obamacare doesn't have an option for public healthcare. They needed his vote to pass Obamacare and he refused any element of public healthcare.
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Mar 28, 2024 23:35:17 GMT
Was he the only significant Jew to rat on the Democrats? Might he be being held to a higher standard than non-Jews who ratted? And am I a broken record? Yes you are a broken record, one that is consistently wrong. Democrat contempt for Lieberman had fuck all to do with him being Jewish and little to do with his Iraq war vote. In his final election campaign in 2006 he lost the Democratic primary but the won the general election as an Independent thanks in a large part to votes from Republicans (the GOP candidate got less than 10%). After this he veered sharply to the right and genuinely became a DINO. Prior to this he was well within the Democratic mainstream and would never have endorsed a GOP candidate for President or took the stance he did on the ACA.
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Post by willpower3 on Mar 29, 2024 5:33:40 GMT
Here's another bit of trivia about Barney Frank. His partner during the 1990s was the executive of Fannie Mae. Very much not a case of normative determinism there.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Mar 29, 2024 7:24:01 GMT
Was he the only significant Jew to rat on the Democrats? Might he be being held to a higher standard than non-Jews who ratted? And am I a broken record? No, Barney Frank of Massachusetts was one of the House members to vote for the Resolution. He also had a further “claim to fame” as the first openly gay member of Congress. He wasn’t quite the first openly gay member of Congress - that was fellow Massachussetts Democrat Gerry Studds.
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Post by stb12 on Mar 29, 2024 11:55:17 GMT
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Post by timmullen on Mar 29, 2024 13:11:12 GMT
No, Barney Frank of Massachusetts was one of the House members to vote for the Resolution. He also had a further “claim to fame” as the first openly gay member of Congress. He wasn’t quite the first openly gay member of Congress - that was fellow Massachussetts Democrat Gerry Studds. According to Frank’s House biography he was the first to come out voluntarily, while Studds was forced to confirm his sexuality after being accused of an inappropriate relationship with a 17 year old male Congressional Page in a speech on House floor. (Ironically the Chairman of the Ethics Committee who unsuccessfully pushed for Studds’ expulsion was Larry Craig of Idaho who would later be forced to retire from the Senate after making unwanted sexual advances to a male police officer in a Minneapolis-St Paul airport “bathroom”).
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Post by CatholicLeft on Mar 29, 2024 22:56:32 GMT
I have offered to be a tenner AGAINST him I’m a lapsed Methodist, I was brought up believing gambling was a sin, don’t expect me to start understanding it now - old dogs, new tricks and all that! A lapsed Methodist with an Irish Catholic name, what a glorious mix.
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