tricky
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Post by tricky on Aug 7, 2013 17:07:43 GMT
Every candidate that isn't yourself will always be a compromise. You have to decide where to draw the line.
I'm not sure that you should ever vote against a candidate of your party if you are an active member. Active support is another matter and there are certainly Liberal Democrat areas I would drive past to get to one where the local candidate was more to my taste.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2013 0:41:09 GMT
The ex Queensland Premier Peter Beattie is standing in the marginal LNP held seat of Forde.
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Aug 8, 2013 1:23:14 GMT
Heh, random.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Aug 8, 2013 8:37:41 GMT
I'm glad I don't live in Borden  |
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Post by Philip Davies on Aug 8, 2013 9:25:01 GMT
Borden WA? You'll have a Crook as your MP!
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Post by iainbhx on Aug 8, 2013 16:51:07 GMT
I'm glad I don't live in Borden Just imagine organising the leaflet drops. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2013 8:55:33 GMT
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Post by markgoodair on Aug 10, 2013 6:54:39 GMT
She has pulled out of the race. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Aug 11, 2013 18:36:59 GMT
poor girl. At the same time as we are bleating about internet trolling we relish in this. During the last UK general election the entire world seemed to "relish in" savagely attacking a politician for brief remarks made in private. I don't suppose you thought for a moment about how he felt about it. |
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Post by erlend on Aug 11, 2013 22:07:04 GMT
The girl was a plonker. Actually Brown was that for being incompetent at taking of his microphone. I am sure that politicians have made a lot worse remarks but not been caught. And they will have been in all parties and include leaders and PMs.
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Richard Allen
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Post by Richard Allen on Aug 11, 2013 23:11:41 GMT
poor girl. At the same time as we are bleating about internet trolling we relish in this. During the last UK general election the entire world seemed to "relish in" savagely attacking a politician for brief remarks made in private. I don't suppose you thought for a moment about how he felt about it. Well one does feel obliged to point out that the person in question was the Prime Minister of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and as such it is reasonable to expect that his comments would attract greater scrutiny than that of a silly girl standing for a minor political party. That being said if silly girls want to stand for public office they will naturally receive some scrutiny as well. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Aug 11, 2013 23:55:53 GMT
Neither of the two replies seem to have addressed the point. Notwithstanding that people seeking or in elected office have all voluntarily chosen to do it, they are still human beings and subject to ordinary human socio-psychology. If certain websites are bad because they allow behaviour which could cause extreme sociopsychological distress and are reckless as to whether it actually happens, then why shouldn't the same duty of care apply in other fields?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2013 0:58:41 GMT
The coalition have announced they'll preference the Greens last and Labor looks likely to do the same. Both are quite clear that they mean to put the Greens sole MP out of the House of Reps. It's quite an odditity that Bandt was elected on effectively conservative preferences last time Luckily for the Greens there have been a few constituency polls showing that to be around 40-45% in the seat they currently hold, so they should be ok. Although it means the Greens haven't got a shot at the two or so other electorates they came relatively close to winning at the last election. So Batman is unlikely to go Green! They're also defending 3 senate seats from 2007, which is probably going to be more difficult. In other news the Australian equivalent of the NRA has told it's members to preference the Greens last.. so they must be doing something right  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2013 13:46:05 GMT
Rudd has said Labor will pref on a seat by seat basis. In most cases this will mean Greens ahead of Lib/Nat.
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Post by erlend on Aug 15, 2013 14:47:25 GMT
I think the Green targets were second to Labour so that is unlikely to make serious difference.
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Aug 15, 2013 15:07:36 GMT
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Aug 15, 2013 15:09:28 GMT
So Batman is unlikely to go Green! Batman was very, very, very unlikely to do so anyway. |
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Post by Devonian on Aug 15, 2013 15:26:04 GMT
Rudd has said Labor will pref on a seat by seat basis. In most cases this will mean Greens ahead of Lib/Nat. The coalition have announced they'll preference the Greens last and Labor looks likely to do the same. What a terrible system. Thank goodness the No vote won the AV referendum. |
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Aug 15, 2013 15:28:02 GMT
o.k
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Post by timrollpickering on Aug 15, 2013 16:01:34 GMT
The coalition have announced they'll preference the Greens last and Labor looks likely to do the same. Both are quite clear that they mean to put the Greens sole MP out of the House of Reps. It's quite an odditity that Bandt was elected on effectively conservative preferences last time You can't put all the problem parties last and it's standard for the big parties to put all acceptable small parties & indies before the main opponents. ISTR Bob Katter has been elected at least once on Labour preferences. Most of the indies have similarly benefitted regardless of what side of the party they're on. Occasionally a party comes along who get declared non-ministrable and that can complicate the HTVs - you can't scream "Put Labor LAST" with either One Nation on the ballot or a decision the Greens are worse, and in by-elections swamped with fringe parties and obscure indies advocating a donkey vote is standard but again messy if it has to detour to put someone last. I'm not sure how reliable constituency polls are and election campaigns can drown out local member factors. There haven't been that many urban idependents/others to compare to. Two of those are in Western Australia and Tasmania, which have been their stronger states, helped by the relative historic weakness of Labor and the Liberals respectively. The thid is South Australia which could be the trickiest to predict. One messy factor is whether or not Nick Xenophon exercises the right of incumbents to restand as a single candidate with a group voting ticket or whether he assembles a mates' slate. If he gets quota again this decision will have major repercussions on where his surplus goes at which stage. Is that the Shooters & Fishers Party or some other body? |
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