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Post by Pete Whitehead on Apr 18, 2013 22:14:29 GMT
Even if you did want to go with all 3 member wards, 14 would seem to be the logical number, because of the distinct areas within the district. 14 wards would have an average electorate of around 5k and each of the areas have electorates which are divisible by that number Abbots Langley c. 15k - 3 seats Croxley c. 10k - 2 seats Chorleywood (+Sarratt) c. 10k - 2seats Rickmansworth (inc Moor Park etc) c. 20k - 4seats Watford Rural c. 15k - 3 seats There's still a problem with how to divide Watford Rural because that itself is not a natural community, or in as much as it is, is one which is internally divided on very clear lines which would not fit this model
Of course if the had gone for my Borough of Colne plan 20 years ago, we wouldn;t have this problem. We could have 3 member wards that would more or less correspond to the county divisions (this would also be a 42 member council as it happens)
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Post by mattb on Apr 18, 2013 22:17:30 GMT
Didn'd the Tories suggest 30 seats? I wonder how that would have worked out. SW Herts Tories kindly supplied their suggested configuration for 10 x 3-member wards as part of the council-size consultation. The oddest suggestion linked the part of Croxley around The Green with Chandlers Cross, Langleybury, Loudwater, Valley Road and the northern part of Ricky town centre (goodness knows what they would have called that - Three Rivers Central perhaps??). Another linked Oxhey Hall and Moor Park.
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Post by mattb on Apr 18, 2013 22:17:58 GMT
Didn'd the Tories suggest 30 seats? I wonder how that would have worked out. SW Herts Tories kindly supplied their suggested configuration for 10 x 3-member wards as part of the council-size consultation. The oddest suggestion linked the part of Croxley around The Green with Chandlers Cross, Langleybury, Loudwater, Valley Road and the northern part of Ricky town centre (goodness knows what they would have called that - Three Rivers Central perhaps??). Another linked Oxhey Hall and Moor Park.
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Post by lancastrian on May 27, 2013 19:36:53 GMT
Does anyone on here know anything about York? I don't(other than a few touristy visits) , but simply combining Fulford(1 member) and Heslington (2 members, isn't that a student area?) to make one three member ward doesn't look too good.
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Post by J.G.Harston on May 27, 2013 21:10:33 GMT
Does anyone on here know anything about York? I don't(other than a few touristy visits) , but simply combining Fulford(1 member) and Heslington (2 members, isn't that a student area?) to make one three member ward doesn't look too good. Looking at the map it looks very odd - there is no real connection between the two areas, you have to go into and out of Fishergate ward to get between them. As Fishergate ward is a 2-member ward I'd have joined the 1-member Fulford with Fishergate to get a 3-member ward clearly and distictively centred along the A19 spine road. (The LGBCE maps are a bit fiddly to use as they don't indicate on the maps which are 3-, 2- or 1-member wards)
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Post by lancastrian on May 27, 2013 22:54:54 GMT
Then you have the problem of Heslington being too big, so everything else has to be moved round to fit( though they've already done another version of that to accommodate for the oversized Fishergate). Why don't they add the big empty part of Heslington to one of the rural wards( Wheldrake I would think), as most of Heslington's electors seem to be crowded in the corner nearest the city centre.
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Post by lancastrian on May 27, 2013 23:43:49 GMT
Remind me what triggers a review. I know it's something to do with 10% and 30%.
Anyway, by my calculations( assuming I've used the same method as the LGBCE do) on the 2011 electorates used in the zombie review, Blackburn with Darwen has seven wards outside 10%, Burnley three, and Ribble Valley five( including one at +27% and definitely not falling- I don't know if it's still going up). Pendle also has two wards outside 10%, Hyndburn one and Rossendale none.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 5:40:09 GMT
It's something like 10% of wards over 30%...
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on May 28, 2013 8:09:13 GMT
The rule is 30% of wards being over 10% outside the average, or a single ward being over 30% outside. I think the authority can request one itself as well.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 9:10:27 GMT
Cheers David.
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Post by lancastrian on May 28, 2013 10:15:28 GMT
So if seven of Blackburn with Darwen's 23 wards are over 10% out, that's 30.4% of them, isn't it?
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Post by piperdave on May 28, 2013 18:59:37 GMT
Remind me what triggers a review. I know it's something to do with 10% and 30%. Anyway, by my calculations( assuming I've used the same method as the LGBCE do) on the 2011 electorates used in the zombie review, Blackburn with Darwen has seven wards outside 10%, Burnley three, and Ribble Valley five( including one at +27% and definitely not falling- I don't know if it's still going up). Pendle also has two wards outside 10%, Hyndburn one and Rossendale none. Don't use the zombie review (parliamentary) electorates. Since we're talking about local government wards, you'll need to use the local government electorates and I'd recommend using the figures as at 16 October 2012 for the Lancashire districts. These will be available from www.statistics.org.uk. The local government electorate includes all registered electors from other EU countries, members of the House of Lords and excludes overseas electors.
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Post by lancastrian on May 28, 2013 19:08:55 GMT
Thanks, but are you sure that's the right website?
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Post by lancastrian on May 28, 2013 19:14:24 GMT
Hold on, does it have ward-level data?
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on May 28, 2013 19:29:48 GMT
I'm not sure there has ever been a publication of the local government electorate by ward for the whole country.
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Post by Khunanup on May 28, 2013 19:33:59 GMT
The rule is 30% of wards being over 10% outside the average, or a single ward being over 30% outside. I think the authority can request one itself as well. That's right. The Boundary Commission write to the authority offering one if it's been about ten years since the last review but it's up to them if they want it at any time until those parameters kick in. I'm not sure if an authority can just ask for one entirely out of the blue though without having the initial offer from the BC.
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Post by piperdave on May 28, 2013 19:47:44 GMT
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Post by lancastrian on May 28, 2013 19:50:32 GMT
The link you posted goes to 'McKay's Experimental Web Page'
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Post by piperdave on May 28, 2013 20:05:47 GMT
Doesn't in my browser. Alternatively go to www.statistics.gov.uk then look for Government stats, then electoral statistics.
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