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Post by Pete Whitehead on Mar 13, 2019 13:43:41 GMT
More to the point, what would've happened without the 'he had a girlfriend before he met his wife outrage!' scandal? You do live in a very weird little bubble don't you |
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Post by greenhert on Mar 13, 2019 13:57:24 GMT
More to the point, what would've happened without the 'he had a girlfriend before he met his wife outrage!' scandal? This sort of thing matters little nowadays. We are not in the "Back to Basics" era anymore. |
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Post by Izzyeviel on Mar 13, 2019 20:52:59 GMT
More to the point, what would've happened without the 'he had a girlfriend before he met his wife outrage!' scandal? You do live in a very weird little bubble don't you yes. people who read the Daily Mail do live in a weird bubble. Sadly it's not a small one. The point I was hinting at was that there were so many weird attempts at character assassinations from such articles about his love life before he met his wife, stuff about his dad hating Britain and what school he went to, it all stuck. It all overshadows the stuff he did do like the Ed Stone. |
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Post by Foggy on Mar 14, 2019 1:44:59 GMT
The turning point in the first third of 2015 for Ed Miliband was when he was asked by the debate moderator on Question Time whether he thought that Labour had overspent during its time in office, and replied without hesitation in the negative, to audible gasps from the audience.
It was a refreshingly honest response, but one that was out of tune with the view of the majority of voters at the time about the need to balance the books. And it had nothing to do with the way he eats sandwiches.
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Mar 14, 2019 8:21:35 GMT
The turning point in the first third of 2015 for Ed Miliband was when he was asked by the debate moderator on Question Time whether he thought that Labour had overspent during its time in office, and replied without hesitation in the negative, to audible gasps from the audience. It was a refreshingly honest response, but one that was out of tune with the view of the majority of voters at the time about the need to balance the books. And it had nothing to do with the way he eats sandwiches. It's remarkable how this point is forgotten whenever the issue of austerity comes up. TBH I think there were other problems for Milliband to do with authority and charisma - he always came over as intelligent and with his heart in the right place (from a left/centre POV) but not as a leader. Hence the Sturgeon remark re preferring Cameron on EU negotiations (and I think personally and politically she'd have found a Milliband govt easy to do business with.) The sandwich thing was a sort of shorthand for that. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 8:40:37 GMT
The turning point in the first third of 2015 for Ed Miliband was when he was asked by the debate moderator on Question Time whether he thought that Labour had overspent during its time in office, and replied without hesitation in the negative, to audible gasps from the audience. It was a refreshingly honest response, but one that was out of tune with the view of the majority of voters at the time about the need to balance the books. And it had nothing to do with the way he eats sandwiches. It's remarkable how this point is forgotten whenever the issue of austerity comes up. TBH I think there were other problems for Milliband to do with authority and charisma - he always came over as intelligent and with his heart in the right place (from a left/centre POV) but not as a leader. Hence the Sturgeon remark re preferring Cameron on EU negotiations (and I think personally and politically she'd have found a Milliband govt easy to do business with.) The sandwich thing was a sort of shorthand for that. Things are often not really about what the narrative says they are about - the narrative being frequently a post-facto rationalisation which is seeking a peg to hang on. As you suggest, the bacon roll incident merely acted as a catalyst for existing doubts about Ed Miliband. |
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