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Post by lennon on Nov 19, 2018 13:42:36 GMT
Secondly the result is just a bit closer. Across the whole of the UK, leave wins by only 18,000 votes. Gibraltar however votes remain by 18,500. The UK therefore has voted Remain by 500 votes. Discuss Your maths is wrong here. For that to work, Gib would have had to vote leave by 18,500 (which clearly is even less likely than some of your other alternatives) - Or Remain wins overall by 18,000 votes, Gib votes Remain by 18,500 and so UK votes 500 to leave. (which is what I suspect that you mean, but isn't quite as powerful - I would expect in that situation proverbial gnashing of teeth etc. but Remain wins, nothing happens, Cameron continues as PM but UKIP don't implode and the issue is only put off by a few years when it comes back again for another vote) |
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Post by beastofbedfordshire on Nov 19, 2018 14:06:52 GMT
Secondly the result is just a bit closer. Across the whole of the UK, leave wins by only 18,000 votes. Gibraltar however votes remain by 18,500. The UK therefore has voted Remain by 500 votes. Discuss Your maths is wrong here. For that to work, Gib would have had to vote leave by 18,500 (which clearly is even less likely than some of your other alternatives) - Or Remain wins overall by 18,000 votes, Gib votes Remain by 18,500 and so UK votes 500 to leave. (which is what I suspect that you mean, but isn't quite as powerful - I would expect in that situation proverbial gnashing of teeth etc. but Remain wins, nothing happens, Cameron continues as PM but UKIP don't implode and the issue is only put off by a few years when it comes back again for another vote) What?? I'm pretty sure he means UK (excluding Gibraltar) = 18000 net for Leave Gibraltar = 18500 net for Remain UK total = 500 net Remain |
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Post by manchesterman on Nov 26, 2018 21:02:44 GMT
Maths was never a strong suit for Pirates  |
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Post by Foggy on Nov 29, 2018 17:39:21 GMT
A better Brexit referendum? In January 2016 David Cameron, having just passed a law saying that a referendum on the UK's membership of the EU must be held by the end of 2017, ignores advice that the sooner the referendum happens, the better the chances for a Remain win. He instead makes full use of the next 18 months to negotiate properly a genuine reform and series of opt-outs by making it clear that Brexit is a distinct possibility if they refuse to budge, whilst starting a national conversation about Britain's role in Europe and the wider world, how EU institutions actually work and the real advantages and drawbacks of membership.
In the meantime he instructs the civil service to make proper preparations and contingency plans for exit negotiations and how to handle any departure. The referendum takes place in November 2017 after what will have felt like a year-long campaign. Ideally expats, citizens of other EU countries legally resident in the UK and 16- and 17-year-olds are not denied the franchise. If the result had still been Leave, at least it'll be a lot harder for people to claim that nobody understood what they were voting for, and the government will actually be ready for the next steps. If the result were Remain, then with any luck we get to stop "banging on about Europe" all the time for a few years, which was Cameron's stated goal all along.
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Post by J.G.Harston on Nov 29, 2018 18:00:05 GMT
A better Brexit referendum? In January 2016 David Cameron, having just passed a law saying that a referendum on the UK's membership of the EU must be held by the end of 2017, ignores advice that the sooner the referendum happens, the better the chances for a Remain win. He instead makes full use of the next 18 months to negotiate properly a genuine reform and series of opt-outs by making it clear that Brexit is a distinct possibility if they refuse to budge, whilst starting a national conversation about Britain's role in Europe and the wider world, how EU institutions actually work and the real advantages and drawbacks of membership. In the meantime he instructs the civil service to make proper preparations and contingency plans for exit negotiations and how to handle any departure. The referendum takes place in November 2017 after what will have felt like a year-long campaign. Ideally expats, citizens of other EU countries legally resident in the UK and 16- and 17-year-olds are not denied the franchise. If the result had still been Leave, at least it'll be a lot harder for people to claim that nobody understood what they were voting for, and the government will actually be ready for the next steps. If the result were Remain, then with any luck we get to stop "banging on about Europe" all the time for a few years, which was Cameron's stated goal all along.
So, basically, Cameron isn't Cameron. Are Alien Space Bats involved?
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Post by Foggy on Nov 29, 2018 18:05:10 GMT
I appreciate that much of the above scenario might well be wholly unrealistic.
But it would certainly have been better than what we actually got.
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Post by timrollpickering on Feb 25, 2019 1:14:25 GMT
Secondly the result is just a bit closer. Across the whole of the UK, leave wins by only 18,000 votes. Gibraltar however votes remain by 18,500. The UK therefore has voted Remain by 500 votes. Discuss In such a scenario I think the main point of concern would not be Gibraltar but rather a majority that could have been delivered by any single authority with a reputation for problems with its conduct of elections and a sizeable Remain majority many times the national one. Hello Tower Hamlets. |
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