|
Post by bluelabour on Apr 25, 2024 14:12:37 GMT
Widely reported today that Kate Osamor is about to have the Labour whip restored. If so, is she likely to be the candidate there? Didn’t her CLP try to deselect her last time?
|
|
|
Post by batman on Apr 25, 2024 14:57:41 GMT
That's a fair question. I think the CLP is pretty divided - traditionally it was always a right-wing CLP until it broke the mould by selecting her. It could be interesting & will depend on how she behaves from here on in perhaps
|
|
andrea
Non-Aligned
Posts: 7,224
Member is Online
|
Post by andrea on Apr 25, 2024 15:51:03 GMT
Widely reported today that Kate Osamor is about to have the Labour whip restored. If so, is she likely to be the candidate there? Didn’t her CLP try to deselect her last time? She was triggered before 2019 GE but then GE was called and NEC re-adopted her as there was not time for an open selection anymore. She survived the trigger ballot this time thanks to rule changes and union branches. She lost the trigger ballot in 3 wards out of 4.
|
|
|
Post by batman on Apr 25, 2024 19:19:45 GMT
So basically she is going to be OK.
|
|
ilerda
Conservative
Posts: 1,031
|
Post by ilerda on Apr 26, 2024 10:27:39 GMT
That's a fair question. I think the CLP is pretty divided - traditionally it was always a right-wing CLP until it broke the mould by selecting her. It could be interesting & will depend on how she behaves from here on in perhaps I don't think it's always fair to make too many assumptions about a local party based on what the politics of their chosen candidate turns out to be. Candidate selection is normally quite superficial in terms of their policy and ideological positions, and it is of course very easy for a candidate to apparently stand for one thing in their bid for selection/election and something entirely different once they actually win. **cough** **Starmer** **cough** Being elected and getting into the nitty gritty of politics can also have a strong impact on a politician's beliefs. Many centrists are turned radical by experiences in Government, and many supposed radicals quickly fall into the centrist consensus under the social pressures of Westminster life.
|
|
The Bishop
Labour
Down With Factionalism!
Posts: 36,678
|
Post by The Bishop on Apr 26, 2024 10:50:48 GMT
I don't think that Osamor ever really tried to conceal she was on the left of the party when getting selected, though.
Btw if she returns to the fold at Westminster and the Blackpool South byelection goes as widely expected, Labour could actually end up with more MPs going into the close of this parliament than it started it with - something that didn't appear terribly likely at one stage.
|
|
|
Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Apr 27, 2024 16:11:43 GMT
|
|
|
Post by evergreenadam on Apr 27, 2024 16:19:12 GMT
He didn’t seem a good fit with the Tories anyway.
|
|
|
Post by rcronald on Apr 27, 2024 16:22:14 GMT
Surprised he didn’t defect earlier.
|
|
|
Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Apr 27, 2024 16:26:04 GMT
I'm not surprised. It's well known he's basically a charlatan who isn't really a conservative, he just wanted to be on the winning side. Now that's Labour. Good riddance to socialist rubbish.
|
|
|
Post by rcronald on Apr 27, 2024 16:34:32 GMT
I'm not surprised. It's well known he's basically a charlatan who isn't really a conservative, he just wanted to be on the winning side. Now that's Labour. Good riddance to socialist rubbish. I wonder if the Tories are gonna release the info that they have about him 😅 (if you know what I mean)
|
|
|
Post by Wisconsin on Apr 27, 2024 16:36:26 GMT
I'm not surprised. It's well known he's basically a charlatan who isn't really a conservative, he just wanted to be on the winning side. Now that's Labour. Good riddance to socialist rubbish. I wonder if the Tories are gonna release the info that they have about him 😅 (if you know what I mean) What do you mean?
|
|
|
Post by rcronald on Apr 27, 2024 16:42:30 GMT
I wonder if the Tories are gonna release the info that they have about him 😅 (if you know what I mean) What do you mean? I don't think I'm allowed to write this. (and maybe I'm mistaking him for another Tory representing East Anglia)
|
|
|
Post by Pete Whitehead on Apr 27, 2024 16:42:34 GMT
I'm not surprised. It's well known he's basically a charlatan who isn't really a conservative, he just wanted to be on the winning side. Now that's Labour. Good riddance to socialist rubbish. Yes but this illustrates the problem with the current Conservative party that it contains (or has contained) people like this and that prick in Bury South who can just as happily be Labour MPs as Tories
|
|
YL
Non-Aligned
Either Labour leaning or Lib Dem leaning but not sure which
Posts: 4,341
|
Post by YL on Apr 27, 2024 16:48:10 GMT
Update to a list I posted last October. The aim is to list only defections between actual parties, though it includes cases where an MP had a period as an independent in between.
2019 Parliament
Dan Poulter (Central Suffolk & North Ipswich) Con > Lab Lee Anderson (Ashfield) Con > Reform UK Lisa Cameron (East Kilbride, Strathaven & Lesmahagow) SNP > Con Andrew Bridgen (North West Leicestershire) Con > Reclaim [1] Christian Wakeford (Bury South) Con > Lab Neale Hanvey (Kirkcaldy & Cowdenbeath) SNP > Alba Kenny MacAskill (East Lothian) SNP > Alba
2017 Parliament
Antoinette Sandbach (Eddisbury) Con > Lib Dem Heidi Allen (South Cambridgeshire) Con > ChUK > Lib Dem Sam Gyimah (East Surrey) Con > Lib Dem Angela Smith (Penistone & Stocksbridge) Lab > ChUK > Lib Dem Luciana Berger (Liverpool Wavertree) Lab > ChUK > Lib Dem Phillip Lee (Bracknell) Con > Lib Dem Sarah Wollaston (Totnes) Con > ChUK > Lib Dem Chuka Umunna (Streatham) Lab > ChUK > Lib Dem Anna Soubry (Broxtowe) Con > ChUK Joan Ryan (Enfield North) Lab > ChUK Gavin Shuker (Luton South) Lab > ChUK [2] Chris Leslie (Nottingham East) Lab > ChUK Mike Gapes (Ilford South) Lab > ChUK Ann Coffey (Stockport) Lab > ChUK
2015 Parliament
none
2010 Parliament
Mark Reckless (Rochester & Strood) Con > UKIP Douglas Carswell (Clacton) Con > UKIP
2005 Parliament
Bob Spink (Castle Point) Con > UKIP [3] Quentin Davies (Grantham & Stamford) Con > Lab
2001 Parliament
Robert Jackson (Wantage) Con > Lab Andrew Hunter (Basingstoke) Con > DUP George Galloway (Glasgow Kelvin) Lab > Respect Jeffrey Donaldson (Lagan Valley) UUP > DUP Paul Marsden (Shrewsbury & Atcham) Lab > Lib Dem [4]
1997 Parliament
Shaun Woodward (Witney) Con > Lab Peter Temple-Morris (Leominster) Con > Lab
1992 Parliament
George Gardiner (Reigate) Con > Referendum Peter Thurnham (Bolton North East) Con > Lib Dem Emma Nicholson (Torridge & West Devon) Con > Lib Dem Alan Howarth (Stratford upon Avon) Con > Lab
1987 Parliament [5]
Dick Douglas (Dunfermline West) Lab > SNP Rosie Barnes (Greenwich) SDP > continuing SDP John Cartwright (Woolwich) SDP > continuing SDP David Owen (Plymouth Devonport) SDP > continuing SDP
1983 Parliament
none
[1] Bridgen left Reclaim before the election [2] Shuker left ChUK before the election [3] It's not entirely clear that this actually happened, but it was reported at the time. [4] Marsden left the Lib Dems again and endorsed Labour before the 2005 election. My recollection is that although he was reported as rejoining Labour, he did not formally become a Labour MP again. [5] I count the Lib Dems as the successor to both the Liberals and the SDP, so moving to them was not a defection, but joining the continuing SDP was.
|
|
cogload
Lib Dem
I jumped in the river and what did I see...
Posts: 8,213
|
Post by cogload on Apr 27, 2024 17:19:55 GMT
Ouch:
|
|
|
Post by matureleft on Apr 27, 2024 17:46:52 GMT
It's interesting to see Poulter described as not really a Conservative.
When I was young, in a family of one-nation Conservatives, the party appeared to have a heavy representation of similar opinions in positions of influence. Nowadays those people are a tiny and sidelined minority. The big tent has been moving its pegs for some time. Whether that shift makes the party "more Conservative" is arguable since the term is vague.
What it has meant is a party with a less internationalist feel and one less supportive of public service (perhaps Poulter's problem). However he's a youngish guy and I'd expect some motivation around placing himself well for a job outside parliament.
|
|
|
Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Apr 27, 2024 17:49:35 GMT
It's interesting to see Poulter described as not really a Conservative. When I was young, in a family of one-nation Conservatives, the party appeared to have a heavy representation of similar opinions in positions of influence. Nowadays those people are a tiny and sidelined minority. The big tent has been moving its pegs for some time. Whether that shift makes the party "more Conservative" is arguable since the term is vague. What it has meant is a party with a less internationalist feel and one less supportive of public service (perhaps Poulter's problem). However he's a youngish guy and I'd expect some motivation around placing himself well for a job outside parliament. The current Conservative Party has been taken over by various shades of nationalists and extremists. What we've seen here and with the previous defection (Christian? Christopher?) is the breaking point of mainstream "beers and cricket clubs" Tories.
|
|
|
Post by rcronald on Apr 27, 2024 17:57:44 GMT
It's interesting to see Poulter described as not really a Conservative. When I was young, in a family of one-nation Conservatives, the party appeared to have a heavy representation of similar opinions in positions of influence. Nowadays those people are a tiny and sidelined minority. The big tent has been moving its pegs for some time. Whether that shift makes the party "more Conservative" is arguable since the term is vague. What it has meant is a party with a less internationalist feel and one less supportive of public service (perhaps Poulter's problem). However he's a youngish guy and I'd expect some motivation around placing himself well for a job outside parliament. The current Conservative Party has been taken over by various shades of nationalists and extremists. What we've seen here and with the previous defection (Christian? Christopher?) is the breaking point of mainstream "beers and cricket clubs" Tories. Christian Wakeford didn't defect for ideological reasons like Poulter, he defected because he's an opportunist.
|
|
|
Post by greenhert on Apr 27, 2024 18:02:56 GMT
Surprised he didn’t defect earlier. I thought that being a relatively moderate "Cameronite" he would be more likely to defect to the Liberal Democrats or stand as an Independent.
|
|