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Post by markgoodair on Apr 16, 2024 6:59:34 GMT
If there is any justice in this world, then Liz Truss should announce today her intention to stand for Reform in her South West Norfolk constituency because based on this, if she does not have the whip removed or defects then the Conservative Party of Cameron has been replaced by the Reform Party of Trump and Farage www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68821646Whip removed? What Hogwash. She hasn't said she won't support the Tories at all. What I pick up from the article is that her and Farage's ideas overlap, no surprise there, there is a Reform / Tory overlap in ideas. What else, oh yes she's has Trump sychophant tendencies, no surprise there either.
Is that the same Liz Truss that went to Faraage's 60th Birthday do?
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Post by iang on Apr 16, 2024 7:01:50 GMT
The thing that strikes me as peculiar about it all is that her avowed support for Ukraine is absolutely not what Trump would do - I cannot see the logic of her support for him as the saviour of the west in that respect - Trump's foreign policy was anything but western engagement
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Apr 16, 2024 7:19:29 GMT
Taking a step back, Truss really does look and sound as though she's spent far too long listening only to herself and reading only one type of material. I saw a clip earlier where she butted in with "I was blocked by the Bank of England and....." as though something in her brain is programmed to react to anything and everything with the same triggered phrases. It's the first step to JK/Glinner/Le Tissier style behaviour, left to only inhabit a tiny world of obsession, and quite ill with it.
It's like Prevent, just for people who have fallen down the rabbit hole. Grab them in time and you could be okay. Miss the chance to save them and they become Andrew Bridgen or Laurence Fox.
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Post by carlton43 on Apr 16, 2024 7:19:39 GMT
If there is any justice in this world, then Liz Truss should announce today her intention to stand for Reform in her South West Norfolk constituency because based on this, if she does not have the whip removed or defects then the Conservative Party of Cameron has been replaced by the Reform Party of Trump and Farage www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68821646A red rag excites an old bull!
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Post by carlton43 on Apr 16, 2024 7:22:25 GMT
It’s still an unusual position for a Tory to express in public. Are there any other avowed Trump supporters in the parliamentary party? What they might say in private is something else. Apart from anything else any minister or aspirant for ministerial office would be silly to express enthusiasm for the opponent of the leader of a key ally. But what if he becomes the leader of our key ally. Would that not have been a percipient 'good move'?
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Post by carlton43 on Apr 16, 2024 7:26:00 GMT
Taking a step back, Truss really does look and sound as though she's spent far too long listening only to herself and reading only one type of material. I saw a clip earlier where she butted in with "I was blocked by the Bank of England and....." as though something in her brain is programmed to react to anything and everything with the same triggered phrases. It's the first step to JK/Glinner/Le Tissier style behaviour, left to only inhabit a tiny world of obsession, and quite ill with it. It's like Prevent, just for people who have fallen down the rabbit hole. Grab them in time and you could be okay. Miss the chance to save them and they become Andrew Bridgen or Laurence Fox. I can imagine that this might be one of those rare areas where you are in fact a bit of an expert?
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Post by r34t on Apr 16, 2024 7:29:12 GMT
The thing that strikes me as peculiar about it all is that her avowed support for Ukraine is absolutely not what Trump would do - I cannot see the logic of her support for him as the saviour of the west in that respect - Trump's foreign policy was anything but western engagement Her definition of the 'West' includes Russia, as it is a Christian country. Her enemies are muslim Iran & godless China.
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Post by ilerda on Apr 16, 2024 7:33:31 GMT
It’s just another (admittedly more extreme version) of ex-senior politicians calling for things after office that they would never have dreamt of doing in power. No way would Gordon Brown have enacted his constitutional vandalism devolution max plan when he was PM, in the same way that Truss would never have actually left the ECHR or abolished the Bank of England even if she’d been given the time to do so.
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Post by bigfatron on Apr 16, 2024 7:48:28 GMT
I know he's not an MP, but didn't Johnson recently express fulsome backing for Trump in the forthcoming election?
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Post by johnloony on Apr 16, 2024 8:05:27 GMT
It’s just another (admittedly more extreme version) of ex-senior politicians calling for things after office that they would never have dreamt of doing in power. No way would Gordon Brown have enacted his constitutional vandalism devolution max plan when he was PM, in the same way that Truss would never have actually left the ECHR or abolished the Bank of England even if she’d been given the time to do so. I think Truss would have tried to leave the ECHR. If she had managed to stay in office for the last two years, she might have put it in the general election manifesto as a key pledge, under the delusion that it would be popular and would bring her a sweeping victory at the general election.
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Post by johnloony on Apr 16, 2024 8:16:36 GMT
If there is any justice in this world, then Liz Truss should announce today her intention to stand for Reform in her South West Norfolk constituency because based on this, if she does not have the whip removed or defects then the Conservative Party of Cameron has been replaced by the Reform Party of Trump and Farage www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68821646Nonsense. There are lots of Trump supporters in the Conservative parliamentary party, and in the party at large (nowhere near a majority in either), and Truss thinks that she (or people with her similar Liz Truss Thought) has a realistic chance of seizing control of the Conservative Party again. Defecting to Reform or Reclaim or Whatever would be a dead-end rabbit-hole of impotent ranting.
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Post by stb12 on Apr 16, 2024 8:36:41 GMT
As already said I can’t imagine expressing a preference in the US presidential election is a disciplinary offence for a backbench MP, and it has probably been done at various times throughout history albeit Trump is in many ways a uniquely controversial candidate
If you’re actually in government then there’s a need to be careful for diplomatic reasons but Truss won’t be back there anytime soon if ever. It would be interesting to see how the upcoming Labour government deals with a hypothetical Trump win, certainly they’d have to be more diplomatic than many of them on the Shadow frontbench have been concerning him
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Post by matureleft on Apr 16, 2024 8:43:43 GMT
It’s still an unusual position for a Tory to express in public. Are there any other avowed Trump supporters in the parliamentary party? What they might say in private is something else. Apart from anything else any minister or aspirant for ministerial office would be silly to express enthusiasm for the opponent of the leader of a key ally. But what if he becomes the leader of our key ally. Would that not have been a percipient 'good move'? Most careful UK politicians with national aspirations try to appear neutral. They maintain a friendly and positive relationship with the person in power and they establish a professional contact with the opposition. Endorsing the opponent and implicitly (and to an extent explicitly) criticising the incumbent is unusual and carries risk. While Trump may indeed win, he may well not.
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Post by matureleft on Apr 16, 2024 8:49:18 GMT
As already said I can’t imagine expressing a preference in the US presidential election is a disciplinary offence for a backbench MP, and it has probably been done at various times throughout history albeit Trump is in many ways a uniquely controversial candidate If you’re actually in government then there’s a need to be careful for diplomatic reasons but Truss won’t be back there anytime soon if ever. It would be interesting to see how the upcoming Labour government deals with a hypothetical Trump win, certainly they’d have to be more diplomatic than many of them on the Shadow frontbench have been concerning him Indeed. Trump is unusual and has triggered some rational and some irrational reactions (the irrational is highlighted by any analysis of the continuity between Trump and Biden in key areas). Somehow we require a friendly relationship with the USA, even more so post-Brexit. Trump takes things very personally and can and does pursue grievances beyond normal political behaviour. Somehow the relationship needs to be professionalised if he returns and Labour faces that challenge should they win.
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Post by stb12 on Apr 16, 2024 9:02:55 GMT
As already said I can’t imagine expressing a preference in the US presidential election is a disciplinary offence for a backbench MP, and it has probably been done at various times throughout history albeit Trump is in many ways a uniquely controversial candidate If you’re actually in government then there’s a need to be careful for diplomatic reasons but Truss won’t be back there anytime soon if ever. It would be interesting to see how the upcoming Labour government deals with a hypothetical Trump win, certainly they’d have to be more diplomatic than many of them on the Shadow frontbench have been concerning him Indeed. Trump is unusual and has triggered some rational and some irrational reactions (the irrational is highlighted by any analysis of the continuity between Trump and Biden in key areas). Somehow we require a friendly relationship with the USA, even more so post-Brexit. Trump takes things very personally and can and does pursue grievances beyond normal political behaviour. Somehow the relationship needs to be professionalised if he returns and Labour faces that challenge should they win. I suppose like many people they thought for a while after defeat in 2020 then Jan 6th and all the legal troubles that he was finished, the fact there’s clearly a realistic chance of him returning is something that the world has to negotiate now even if you think a Biden win is still most likely
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Post by The Bishop on Apr 16, 2024 11:11:46 GMT
I know he's not an MP, but didn't Johnson recently express fulsome backing for Trump in the forthcoming election? Yes, and tried to head off the expected criticisms by saying he was "sure" that Trump would not betray Ukraine. Well that's my mind at rest then, and no mistake
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Apr 16, 2024 11:16:19 GMT
If there is any justice in this world, then Liz Truss should announce today her intention to stand for Reform in her South West Norfolk constituency because based on this, if she does not have the whip removed or defects then the Conservative Party of Cameron has been replaced by the Reform Party of Trump and Farage www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68821646This is not a sackable offence, and nor should it be. I am not a supporter of The Tange, though I agree with some of his policies and agree that he is being unfairly targeted. However, the GOP is our sister party in the IDU, and it should only be natural we support them. I hope they eventually find their way back to sanity, so that I, a pretty right-wing guy, can eventually support my conservative brethren across the ocean once again.
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Post by stb12 on Apr 16, 2024 11:26:21 GMT
If there is any justice in this world, then Liz Truss should announce today her intention to stand for Reform in her South West Norfolk constituency because based on this, if she does not have the whip removed or defects then the Conservative Party of Cameron has been replaced by the Reform Party of Trump and Farage www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68821646This is not a sackable offence, and nor should it be. I am not a supporter of The Tange, though I agree with some of his policies and agree that he is being unfairly targeted. However, the GOP is our sister party in the IDU, and it should only be natural we support them. I hope they eventually find their way back to sanity, so that I, a pretty right-wing guy, can eventually support my conservative brethren across the ocean once again. With the American political spectrum traditionally being more to the right in general there’s always been some UK conservatives that support the Democrats, I even remember there being an MP group for it at some point during Obama’s campaigns Obviously there’s the historic links between the parties and memories of Thatcher and Reagan, it’s probably all become a bit complicated between Trump’s antics and elements of the Democratic base pulling them more to the left
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Post by batman on Apr 16, 2024 11:36:52 GMT
The thing that strikes me as peculiar about it all is that her avowed support for Ukraine is absolutely not what Trump would do - I cannot see the logic of her support for him as the saviour of the west in that respect - Trump's foreign policy was anything but western engagement exactly. I think she is quite stupid actually even though she has had an education
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Apr 16, 2024 15:48:54 GMT
The thing that strikes me as peculiar about it all is that her avowed support for Ukraine is absolutely not what Trump would do - I cannot see the logic of her support for him as the saviour of the west in that respect - Trump's foreign policy was anything but western engagement exactly. I think she is quite stupid actually even though she has had an education Possibly not stupid, but surely there's a strong chance that she is, to use the current parlance, neurodivergent. The inability to compromise or admit mistakes, the constant insistence that everyone else must be acting in bad faith, the sheer awkwardness, and the inability to play nicely with the other children beyond a tiny coterie...that surely suggests something deep-rooted.
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