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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 15, 2020 22:20:24 GMT
Well, the opposition are barely opposing the government, so he might as well! I know you placed an exclamation mark at the end, but this is a bit wide of the mark. The BBC report, www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53422010 , makes it clear that Labour were the 'midwives' to his success. The swift suspension from the Conservative Parliamentary Party has Cummings' fingerprints all over it. They're obviously furious that their 'patsy', Grayling, was not appointed. I should stress that I was making a more general snarky remark about the lack of challenge by the opposition parties to government measures over Covid. This just happened to be the nearest soapbox.
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Post by timmullen1 on Jul 15, 2020 22:21:08 GMT
The one question I haven’t seen an answer to is can they now withdraw his appointment to the Committee because it’s reserved for the Conservative Party and he’s no longer a member of said Party therefore ineligible to take a spot reserved for the Party. I suspect that's the entire point of his losing the whip. Me too that’s why I floated it, was hoping some of the more knowledgeable heads on here might haven answer.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 15, 2020 22:21:50 GMT
Ridiculous over-reaction to a frankly silly and ignominious event. I'm not the greatest fan of Mr Edwards or of those hard-left separatists, but the (lack of) public interest has taken a back seat in this all along. It makes it sound bizarrely as if his behaviour was totally unacceptable, but not so totally unacceptable as to exclude him permanently. Weird.
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Post by ilerda on Jul 15, 2020 22:22:42 GMT
I don’t think for the ISC it’s necessarily reserved to members of a certain party. And if it is then the standard practice is for it to be based on party allegiance at the beginning of the session.
Any removal would still have to be voted on by the House, as it is up to the House to decide the membership of its committees.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Jul 15, 2020 22:34:26 GMT
I hope they don't even think about it. Talk about an own goal.
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Post by Daft H'a'porth A'peth A'pith on Jul 15, 2020 22:36:24 GMT
I hope they don't even think about it. Talk about an own goal. On current form that means they will probably do it.
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Post by mrhell on Jul 15, 2020 23:19:00 GMT
The one question I haven’t seen an answer to is can they now withdraw his appointment to the Committee because it’s reserved for the Conservative Party and he’s no longer a member of said Party therefore ineligible to take a spot reserved for the Party. The Government could choose to try to remove him from the committee for that or indeed any other reason. But it would mean moving a motion to that effect, and a 90 minute debate, and a vote - so it would not just look incredibly vindictive, it would give more political pain and give a lot of opportunity for backbenchers to rebel. But they're so stupid they may still do it. and may suffer the same fate as efforts to remove Gwyneth Dunwoody and Donald Anderson in 2001.
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Post by John Chanin on Jul 16, 2020 6:13:08 GMT
Julian Lewis, New Forest East, Conservative to Independent. So in short Lewis is elected chairman of an influential committee and given a position where he could help or hinder the government. They deliberatly go out of their way to osterise him and remove any reason he has to play ball with them. How stupid are these people? Politically speaking it makes no sense. Lewis is a decidedly right wing Conservative, if a tad idiosyncratic, and a dedicated cold warrior. He is also a defence specialist. In other words a knowledgeable and safe pair of hands who can be trusted with security issues. But much of politics amounts to little more than personal feuds and vindictiveness. Lewis is not clubbable, while Grayling, while useless, is "one of us", and had been promised something useful to do, as a favour, and for going quietly.
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Post by No Offence Alan on Jul 16, 2020 6:55:20 GMT
Ridiculous over-reaction to a frankly silly and ignominious event. I'm not the greatest fan of Mr Edwards or of those hard-left separatists, but the (lack of) public interest has taken a back seat in this all along. It makes it sound bizarrely as if his behaviour was totally unacceptable, but not so totally unacceptable as to exclude him permanently. Weird. And again reinforces the confusion around what "suspension" means. Is suspension (a) a punishment, or (b) a "holding pattern" while an alleged offence is investigated?
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Post by froome on Jul 16, 2020 10:28:53 GMT
It makes it sound bizarrely as if his behaviour was totally unacceptable, but not so totally unacceptable as to exclude him permanently. Weird. And again reinforces the confusion around what "suspension" means. Is suspension (a) a punishment, or (b) a "holding pattern" while an alleged offence is investigated? I always thought that suspension meant they took them down to the basement and suspended them from the ceiling rafters for a couple of hours, before dragging them back up a gibbering wreck.
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Post by No Offence Alan on Jul 16, 2020 11:11:58 GMT
And again reinforces the confusion around what "suspension" means. Is suspension (a) a punishment, or (b) a "holding pattern" while an alleged offence is investigated? I always thought that suspension meant they took them down to the basement and suspended them from the ceiling rafters for a couple of hours, before dragging them back up a gibbering wreck. You are Lord Vetinari and I claim my £5.
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Post by Crimson King on Jul 16, 2020 19:39:45 GMT
I always thought that suspension meant they took them down to the basement and suspended them from the ceiling rafters for a couple of hours, before dragging them back up a gibbering wreck. You are Lord Vetinari and I claim my £5. could you repeat that comment in mime?
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Post by iainbhx on Jul 16, 2020 20:02:38 GMT
You are Lord Vetinari and I claim my £5. could you repeat that comment in mime? Is there a handy scorpion pit?
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Post by peterl on Aug 18, 2020 15:15:26 GMT
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Aug 19, 2020 11:41:13 GMT
Story below, she blames the anti devolution approach of Reckless.
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Post by Sandy on Aug 19, 2020 12:09:56 GMT
Story below, she blames the anti devolution approach of Reckless. Reckless wants to scrap the Welsh Assembly and have a directly elected FM? So essentially a Mayor of Wales? Or is he proposing a Game of Thrones style Kingsmoot? What a stupid idea. Just scrap the whole rotten institution and return to direct Westminster rule as it should be.
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Post by mboy on Aug 19, 2020 12:13:10 GMT
A regional tier of government is vital in the modern age for transport infrastructure and planning coherence. What other things make sense to do at a regional level is up for debate, but giving those regions with strong identity the ability to go their own way on health/education is fine if they want it. The Welsh system of a single layer of councils with a regional lay above is - like Scotland - entirely sensible and the way England should go as well.
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Post by peterl on Aug 19, 2020 12:18:47 GMT
It works reasonably well in Wales and Scotland precisely because there is a strong identity. People do not identify with the "south west" or the "north east".
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Post by greenhert on Aug 19, 2020 12:19:19 GMT
A regional tier of government is vital in the modern age for transport infrastructure and planning coherence. What other things make sense to do at a regional level is up for debate, but giving those regions with strong identity the ability to go their own way on health/education is fine if they want it. The Welsh system of a single layer of councils with a regional lay above is - like Scotland - entirely sensible and the way England should go as well. As long as the regions are sensibly sized and coherent-the current South East region is neither, for example.
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Post by Sandy on Aug 19, 2020 12:20:18 GMT
A regional tier of government is vital in the modern age for transport infrastructure and planning coherence. What other things make sense to do at a regional level is up for debate, but giving those regions with strong identity the ability to go their own way on health/education is fine if they want it. The Welsh system of a single layer of councils with a regional lay above is - like Scotland - entirely sensible and the way England should go as well. That's why we had administrative devolution through the Scottish and Welsh offices.
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