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Post by maxque on Mar 21, 2018 3:10:57 GMT
Yes. Note than in USA, seats like that one just being unopposed are common, so than nobody wanted to run but him isn't surprising. Who wants to collect 603 signatures of registered Republicans for nothing? Plus, they might not have known he was running in the primary before the close of the filling period.
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Post by timmullen1 on Mar 21, 2018 3:11:05 GMT
No you read it right. A difficulty with the American system is there’s no Party structure as such, so if you can meet the filing regulations anybody can run for either Party. To their credit the Republicans have disowned this guy on every occasion, and not lifted a finger to help him, but there’s nothing they can do to stop him running, especially as he’s probably the only guy in the District prepared to admit to being a Republican so they’ve not got a qualified alternative to run against him.
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Post by maxque on Mar 21, 2018 3:46:29 GMT
No you read it right. A difficulty with the American system is there’s no Party structure as such, so if you can meet the filing regulations anybody can run for either Party. To their credit the Republicans have disowned this guy on every occasion, and not lifted a finger to help him, but there’s nothing they can do to stop him running, especially as he’s probably the only guy in the District prepared to admit to being a Republican so they’ve not got a qualified alternative to run against him. Anyways, the guy who won the Democrat primary is basically a Republican.
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Post by Richard Allen on Mar 21, 2018 9:44:37 GMT
DRAMA: this may be a reporting error, perhaps. I have no idea. Confirmed as an error - Lipinski on 50.9% with 87% counted and less inflated raw vote figures from Will County. When 20 precincts in Will County reported the AP added 3,000 votes too many for Newman. Anyway, glad to see Lipinski survive. Congress needs more conservative Democrats and liberal Republicans, not less.
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Post by greenchristian on Mar 21, 2018 10:07:52 GMT
Less than 24 hours later and the New York shitshow has begun. Cynthia Nixon has been labelled an 'unqualified lesbian' by former mayoral candidate Christine Quinn (herself a lesbian). Also, Nixon was going to do an event in Brooklyn to talk about how awful the subway is and as if my magic she couldn't make it as the subway was cancelled for hours 😂😂 Until I read this post I had no idea that lesbianism was something you could qualify in...
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Post by maxque on Mar 21, 2018 10:09:49 GMT
Confirmed as an error - Lipinski on 50.9% with 87% counted and less inflated raw vote figures from Will County. When 20 precincts in Will County reported the AP added 3,000 votes too many for Newman. Anyway, glad to see Lipinski survive. Congress needs more conservative Democrats and liberal Republicans, not less. I would say it need less sons of former congressman, which is what Lipinski is.
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Post by Richard Allen on Mar 21, 2018 10:17:14 GMT
When 20 precincts in Will County reported the AP added 3,000 votes too many for Newman. Anyway, glad to see Lipinski survive. Congress needs more conservative Democrats and liberal Republicans, not less. I would say it need less sons of former congressman, which is what Lipinski is. In general I agree but that is a minor problem where as the ideological conformity of the two parties is a major problem.
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Post by jamie on Mar 21, 2018 11:04:49 GMT
Results almost all in. Pritzker has won the Dem primary. In Chicagoland he relied on a split opposition but downstate he crushed everyone else. Biss took a weak 2nd and the only major area he won was Champaign (university). Rauner has eked out a victory in the Republican primary. Very dodgy early numbers in Chicagoland (his base) but he ran Ives close downstate so ended up winning by 3%. Quinn lost the Dem primary for attorney general. He won almost everywhere outside Chicago, but got annihilated there so lost statewide. Finally, Lipinski won the Illinois 3rd Dem primary. He won Chicago while Newman won everything else. Let's hope he doesn't go full Lieberman!
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Post by Richard Allen on Mar 21, 2018 11:20:51 GMT
Finally, Lipinski won the Illinois 3rd Dem primary. He won Chicago while Newman won everything else. Let's hope he doesn't go full Lieberman! If he is looking at a lengthy congressional career, he is only 51, he is more likely to try and shore up his left flank.
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Post by John Chanin on Mar 21, 2018 12:31:46 GMT
When 20 precincts in Will County reported the AP added 3,000 votes too many for Newman. Anyway, glad to see Lipinski survive. Congress needs more conservative Democrats and liberal Republicans, not less. I would say it need less sons of former congressman, which is what Lipinski is. I agree with both of you. The American political system cannot work without some cross-party co-operation, and there is far too much nepotism in US politics.
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Post by tiberius on Mar 21, 2018 13:46:11 GMT
My expectation was a Newman win by 5-10 points. That obviously didn't materialize though. I was cheering for Biss in the governor's race, but sadly, he lost. Oh well. Pritzker is still light-years better than Bruce "I dream of emulating Scott Walker" Rauner.
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Post by timmullen1 on Mar 21, 2018 15:36:19 GMT
Finally, Lipinski won the Illinois 3rd Dem primary. He won Chicago while Newman won everything else. Let's hope he doesn't go full Lieberman! If he is looking at a lengthy congressional career, he is only 51, he is more likely to try and shore up his left flank. There seems to be a general consensus that this was Lipinski’s last hurrah, especially as the State legislature has changed so much since 2010 they’re unlikely to draw him such a friendly District in the 2020 redistribution.
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Post by tiberius on Mar 21, 2018 15:57:00 GMT
If he is looking at a lengthy congressional career, he is only 51, he is more likely to try and shore up his left flank. There seems to be a general consensus that this was Lipinski’s last hurrah, especially as the State legislature has changed so much since 2010 they’re unlikely to draw him such a friendly District in the 2020 redistribution. I mean, Madigan is the Boss. And he's still there, and probably will still be there by the time 2022 comes along. I have the hunch Lipinski, who Madigan helps protect, will have a seat to run in as long as Madigan is still there. The trouble will be in the Dem primary.
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Post by timmullen1 on Mar 21, 2018 17:05:36 GMT
There seems to be a general consensus that this was Lipinski’s last hurrah, especially as the State legislature has changed so much since 2010 they’re unlikely to draw him such a friendly District in the 2020 redistribution. I mean, Madigan is the Boss. And he's still there, and probably will still be there by the time 2022 comes along. I have the hunch Lipinski, who Madigan helps protect, will have a seat to run in as long as Madigan is still there. The trouble will be in the Dem primary. Madigan did indicate this would likely be his last term as he felt he was holding his daughter back, but whether her not seeking re-election as Attorney General has altered those calculations remains to be seen.
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Post by maxque on Mar 21, 2018 17:43:28 GMT
There seems to be a general consensus that this was Lipinski’s last hurrah, especially as the State legislature has changed so much since 2010 they’re unlikely to draw him such a friendly District in the 2020 redistribution. I mean, Madigan is the Boss. And he's still there, and probably will still be there by the time 2022 comes along. I have the hunch Lipinski, who Madigan helps protect, will have a seat to run in as long as Madigan is still there. The trouble will be in the Dem primary. There is what Mullen says and there is some rumors he would want the Congress seat from himself.
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Post by Sibboleth on Mar 21, 2018 17:52:25 GMT
If he is looking at a lengthy congressional career, he is only 51, he is more likely to try and shore up his left flank. There seems to be a general consensus that this was Lipinski’s last hurrah, especially as the State legislature has changed so much since 2010 they’re unlikely to draw him such a friendly District in the 2020 redistribution. There was also a general consensus Online that he was done for and that it might not even be close. I don't like Lipinski (and his crooked father less) but this feels like another case of wishful thinking replacing analysis amongst liberal political obsessives. The trouble with drawing lines to scratch out Lipinski through redistricting (well the second problem; the first is that the family is still a player in the Cook County Democratic Party) is the ethnic and racial considerations that go into drawing Chicago area districts. This is going to be an increasingly fraught issue in the future as the Black population of the city declines (an issue because of the importance of Black politicians in the CCDP).
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Post by timmullen1 on Mar 21, 2018 20:37:25 GMT
I mean, Madigan is the Boss. And he's still there, and probably will still be there by the time 2022 comes along. I have the hunch Lipinski, who Madigan helps protect, will have a seat to run in as long as Madigan is still there. The trouble will be in the Dem primary. There is what Mullen says and there is some rumors he would want the Congress seat from himself. Here’s how it goes; Pat Quinn is dead man walking as Governor in 2014, Lisa Madigan is spoken of as a potential primary challenger but publicly states she will not seek higher office whilst her father is State Senate President. Madigan Snr pledges to stay in office only to coordinate the opposition to Quinn’s GOP successor, Rauner, and, again, publicly states last year that he was confident his Party would defeat Rauner and he would end his political career. Daily Kos archive has all the relevant quotes scattered about. As for the Congressional seat, I doubt it if for no other reason than post-redistricting it’s going to be tough not to make it a majority-minority District.
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Post by maxque on Mar 21, 2018 20:55:22 GMT
There seems to be a general consensus that this was Lipinski’s last hurrah, especially as the State legislature has changed so much since 2010 they’re unlikely to draw him such a friendly District in the 2020 redistribution. There was also a general consensus Online that he was done for and that it might not even be close. I don't like Lipinski (and his crooked father less) but this feels like another case of wishful thinking replacing analysis amongst liberal political obsessives. The trouble with drawing lines to scratch out Lipinski through redistricting (well the second problem; the first is that the family is still a player in the Cook County Democratic Party) is the ethnic and racial considerations that go into drawing Chicago area districts. This is going to be an increasingly fraught issue in the future as the Black population of the city declines (an issue because of the importance of Black politicians in the CCDP). That's the thing. The Chicago part of his district is more and more hispanic, it seems. It may be required to use them for VRA and if his district becomes more suburban, he loses.
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Post by CatholicLeft on Mar 21, 2018 21:04:37 GMT
There is what Mullen says and there is some rumors he would want the Congress seat from himself. Here’s how it goes; Pat Quinn is dead man walking as Governor in 2014, Lisa Madigan is spoken of as a potential primary challenger but publicly states she will not seek higher office whilst her father is State Senate President. Madigan Snr pledges to stay in office only to coordinate the opposition to Quinn’s GOP successor, Rauner, and, again, publicly states last year that he was confident his Party would defeat Rauner and he would end his political career. Daily Kos archive has all the relevant quotes scattered about. As for the Congressional seat, I doubt it if for no other reason than post-redistricting it’s going to be tough not to make it a majority-minority District. He has been, barring two years of Republican majority, Speaker of the State House since 1983. The State Senate is lead by the lieutenant-governor, a far less powerful figure.
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Post by timmullen1 on Mar 21, 2018 22:12:29 GMT
Here’s how it goes; Pat Quinn is dead man walking as Governor in 2014, Lisa Madigan is spoken of as a potential primary challenger but publicly states she will not seek higher office whilst her father is State Senate President. Madigan Snr pledges to stay in office only to coordinate the opposition to Quinn’s GOP successor, Rauner, and, again, publicly states last year that he was confident his Party would defeat Rauner and he would end his political career. Daily Kos archive has all the relevant quotes scattered about. As for the Congressional seat, I doubt it if for no other reason than post-redistricting it’s going to be tough not to make it a majority-minority District. He has been, barring two years of Republican majority, Speaker of the State House since 1983. The State Senate is lead by the lieutenant-governor, a far less powerful figure. I wasn’t sure which and have no broadband and am trying to conserve my mobile data. Apologies, but I’m sure you got the point I was trying to make.
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