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Post by uthacalthing on Feb 15, 2024 13:32:34 GMT
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Post by johnloony on Feb 15, 2024 14:04:14 GMT
Apart from the horrors of (a) lack of due process of proper evidence or trials, and (b) horrendous inhumane conditions inside the prisons, it is also inevitably storing up trouble for the future. One key point about any prison system, which I always try to remember and which I would urge everybody else to remember, is that the prison population is mostly young men, most of whom are going to be released after a few years. What is going to happen to these vast numbers of men? Are they going to be released gradually, eventually, in years or a decade or two? Or are they just going to be kept incarcerated for 30 or 50 years? What happens when they come out? What happens when the government changes, and a new government decides to be a bit more humane? Also, that report shows dozens of young men crammed together with only two toilets and nothing to do for 23 hours. What if they become ill? What if a contagious epidemic spreads? Is this the new Belsen, where they are going to be left to rot? Is there going to be a riot, with dozens of them being shot on some flimsy pretext? Am I too much of a wishy-washy liberal even to be asking these questions?
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The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Feb 15, 2024 14:45:44 GMT
I don't like tattoos and never have, but jailing anybody who has one does seem a tad extreme.
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Post by uthacalthing on Feb 15, 2024 16:28:08 GMT
Evidence-based policy.
Don't you just hate it?
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Post by johnloony on Feb 15, 2024 16:35:32 GMT
I don't like tattoos and never have, but jailing anybody who has one does seem a tad extreme. My understanding is that they are not simply "jailing everyone with tattoos" per se, but that they are being very draconian in accusing a wide range of people - on relatively flimsy pretexts - of being involved in "gangs" and therefore suspected of being involved in drugs, shootings, terror, extortion, kidnapping (etc.). Vague suspicion, people grassing each other up, and being vaguely associated with somebody, are all used as excuses to arrest and convict people. Part of the process is that if young men have tattoos which vaguely look like the symbols which gangs use, then they are suspect.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Feb 15, 2024 19:50:34 GMT
Tbf, having a gang tat, as opposed to an ordinary one, is a bit of a giveaway.
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Post by maxque on Feb 16, 2024 1:19:35 GMT
I think the word you are searching is "election fraud".
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Georg Ebner
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Post by Georg Ebner on Feb 19, 2024 16:44:15 GMT
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Post by uthacalthing on Feb 26, 2024 17:37:29 GMT
I think the word you are searching is "election fraud". Nobody including his opponents are even accusing him of electoral fraud. There is a whoel lot to be concerned about going on here, and the thing that ought to cause decent liberals most concern is that they have wholly lost the moral high ground to an authoritarian.
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