Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Feb 4, 2018 19:10:38 GMT
Oh and here's something I had totally forgotten about:  |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Feb 4, 2018 20:04:06 GMT
Where did you get the base map? It looks wonderful. Is there an uncoloured version? I drew it. Original here. Also for 1945. And there's also one for 1955-1974 here. They're coloured by county. How's 1950-55 coming along? |
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Post by islington on Feb 5, 2018 9:23:29 GMT
Sibboleth
I salute you. These maps are richly informative, besides being things of beauty in their own right.
I wish I were wearing a cap so I could doff it.
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Post by islington on Feb 5, 2018 9:58:05 GMT
Er ... Sibboleth -
Would it be churlish beyond words (I suspect it would) for me to point out that your 1945 map doesn't reflect the award of a third seat to West Sussex in the limited review of that year?
A new seat of Worthing was created consisting of the eponymous MB and RD.
These areas were removed from the constituencies of Chichester and Horsham & Worthing, the latter being logically renamed simply Horsham.
This does not detract from the admiration I expressed in the previous post.
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Feb 5, 2018 15:05:34 GMT
Er ... Sibboleth - Would it be churlish beyond words (I suspect it would) for me to point out that your 1945 map doesn't reflect the award of a third seat to West Sussex in the limited review of that year? A new seat of Worthing was created consisting of the eponymous MB and RD. These areas were removed from the constituencies of Chichester and Horsham & Worthing, the latter being logically renamed simply Horsham. This does not detract from the admiration I expressed in the previous post. I actually corrected this ages ago for a map of the 1945 results but not, it seems, for the base map. Typical!  Will make the little change on that map later today. (and thanks, btw) |
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Feb 5, 2018 16:14:06 GMT
I figured I'd mention that though Aberconwy constituency was a notional Labour seat for the 2005 General Election, we've never actually won the seat on those boundaries. Most of its components have had a Labour MP at some point: Betws-y-Coed & the Machno valley between 1950-51 and 1966-7, as part of Conwy constituency under the pre-1983 boundaries, Llansanffraid between 1997-2010 as part of Conwy constituency under the post-1997 boundaries, and with Conwy, Llandudno, Caerhun, Penmaenmawr, and Llanfairfechan having been part of the Conwy seat under all of its boundary configurations. Therefore this leaves Eglwysbach, Llanrwst, Ysbyty Ifan, and Capel Garmon, which until 1983 were all part of Denbigh constituency, and between 1983-2010 were part of Meirionnydd Nant Conwy, neither of which returned a Labour MP at any point during their respective existences (though Eglwysbach was part of Conwy constituency between 1983-1997, during which time it returned a Conservative MP); so in practise, these areas have never had a Labour MP at any point in time. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Feb 5, 2018 16:58:56 GMT
The former Labour-held Aberdeen North boundary used to extend north of the River Don to cover Dyce, Danestone and Bridge of Don in present-day Gordon. East Lothian and Midlothian, which both had Labour MP's, used to extend into Berwickshire, Roxburgh & Selkirk. North East Fife was extended into Leven (which used to be part of Labour-held Glenrothes) in 2005 - this is probably insignificant. Should certainly have included Berwickshire as that is a significant area and was for a long time paired with East Lothian in a seat which was often Labour held. Dyce etc probably do mean Gordon should be included also, Leven not so sure - I think it counts as insignificant (wasn't it just the old Leven East ward or something silly?) |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Feb 5, 2018 17:00:57 GMT
I figured I'd mention that though Aberconwy constituency was a notional Labour seat for the 2005 General Election, we've never actually won the seat on those boundaries... I don't wish to be rude (on this occasion), but does the map look like it shows seats that Labour have won on the current boundaries? |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Feb 5, 2018 17:07:43 GMT
I figured I'd mention that though Aberconwy constituency was a notional Labour seat for the 2005 General Election, we've never actually won the seat on those boundaries... I don't wish to be rude (on this occasion), but does the map look like it shows seats that Labour have won on the current boundaries? That said, what you have pointed out is of some incidental interest. If we were to use the single drop principle seemingly employed by our friend who inspired this thread, then I think Montgomeryshire would also be included because it includes a small area which was previously in Clwyd South. So I had thought that the traditional area of Montgomeryshire was the only area in Wales never to have had a Labour MP. You are pointing out that there is this other small area which was historically in Denbighshire which also has never had one (and which I should have known about actually but which has no bearing on this particular parlour game) |
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Feb 5, 2018 17:34:25 GMT
I don't wish to be rude (on this occasion), but does the map look like it shows seats that Labour have won on the current boundaries? That said, what you have pointed out is of some incidental interest. If we were to use the single drop principle seemingly employed by our friend who inspired this thread, then I think Montgomeryshire would also be included because it includes a small area which was previously in Clwyd South. So I had thought that the traditional area of Montgomeryshire was the only area in Wales never to have had a Labour MP. You are pointing out that there is this other small area which was historically in Denbighshire which also has never had one (and which I should have known about actually but which has no bearing on this particular parlour game) What I had brought up was really only meant to be piece of trivia that stood out for me, otherwise I am well aware of what the map was trying to convey. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Feb 5, 2018 17:43:33 GMT
That said, what you have pointed out is of some incidental interest. If we were to use the single drop principle seemingly employed by our friend who inspired this thread, then I think Montgomeryshire would also be included because it includes a small area which was previously in Clwyd South. So I had thought that the traditional area of Montgomeryshire was the only area in Wales never to have had a Labour MP. You are pointing out that there is this other small area which was historically in Denbighshire which also has never had one (and which I should have known about actually but which has no bearing on this particular parlour game) What I had brought up was really only meant to be piece of trivia that stood out for me, otherwise I am well aware of what the map was trying to convey. In that case, as per my second my post on the subject, the trivia is welcome |
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Feb 5, 2018 18:12:17 GMT
All of Caernarvonshire (less the Boroughs constituency) had a Labour MP 1922-23 (Robert Jones - the General Secretary of the Quarrymen's union), and 1945-50 (Goronwy Roberts).
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Will make the little change on that map later today.
